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potmeetskettle
Dag-gummit! I love this show!
Eris Rising
I don't recall this many "Hell, yeah!" moments in a single show, ever. I mean, as creepy as the Flying Pol may be, he was simply awesome three times last night: First with the flight, second with his interaction with Hiro, and third time when he turned the blackmail to his advantage: "Two million gives you a candidate in your pocket. Four million gives you a congressman" Charming bastard.
EssPee
I like to think Nathan Petrelli has taken to heart the famous old aphorism supposedly attributed to Jesse Unruh, a legendary former Speaker of the California Assembly (the subject was lobbyists):

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Son, if you can't take their money, drink their whiskey, screw their women, and then vote against 'em, you don't deserve to be here.
Rex Dart
This was the first "ehh" episode for me, but of course that was gonna happen eventually. I'm looking forward to more Niki next week, since we have the least feel for her right now, I think.

Anyone who complains about the characters discovering their powers slowly is a Grade A fool, BTW. That to me is a huge part of the appeal of the show.

I really hope that Claire's dad took revenge on the QB because he (Dad) was angry about Claire, not because he didn't want the QB to know about Claire's powers or whatever. At least then he'd be an evil guy with human feelings, as opposed to Soulless Government Guy.
TeslaNewton
QUOTE (Rex Dart+Oct 24 2006, 04:29 PM)
I really hope that Claire's dad took revenge on the QB because he (Dad) was angry about Claire, not because he didn't want the QB to know about Claire's powers or whatever. At least then he'd be an evil guy with human feelings, as opposed to Soulless Government Guy.
This is what I'm hoping for too.
potmeetskettle
I think it was both things. I think he's very protective of her as a father, and (possibly) as a scientist. So he would be upset both because of what happened to her and because knowing of her 'power' could put her and the others in danger.
Eris Rising
I suspect that Claire's dad will prove to be a far more complex character as time goes on. My current bet is that his motivation was revenge for the attempted rape, rather than attempting a cover-up. Otherwise, he could have just removed the memories for the past couple of days.
DodgerGirl
I said this elsewhere, but will say it here: I thought the actor did a marvelous job conveying parental protection while still giving us enough doubt to make the viewers unsure of his true motivations.
skittlebrau
I actually found myself hoping that Bad Dad Dude is actually secretly Good Dad Dude. Plot twist, maybe?
jcpdiesel21
I'm also thinking that Bad Glasses Man is in reality good. I think he's looking for Sylar, but in a different way by gathering information from all of the "heroes." It's almost too obvious that he is bad.
TVJunkie
I just have to vent - and this is not directed to anyone here, but rather the internet as a whole and all the Heroes boards:

Claire's father is "HRG". That stands for "Horned Rimmed Glasses"

Niki's alter-ego is "Jessica", not "ikiN" for fuck's sake.

DL (played by Leonard Roberts) is NOT the Haitian (aka Deep Cleaner).

Sorry. I needed to get that out.
Gladly
QUOTE (TVJunkie+Oct 26 2006, 09:06 AM)
Niki's alter-ego is "Jessica", not "ikiN" for fuck's sake.

I have trouble reading the TWoP boards for just that reason: the nicknames are impenetrable. But, did we find out that Niki's alter ego is "Jessica"? Do we know why? Can it please be an homage to Sweet Valley High?
TVJunkie
Ok. I swear I saw the "Jessica" thing on IMDB or somewhere. Maybe the NBC site? I can't find it now. So, I may have to forgive them for not knowing the "Jessica" part, but I will NOT forgive the stupid-ass "ikiN" thing.

That's just ass.
Mike-El
I first read about the "Jessica" thing on Heroes pilot director Greg Beeman's blog.

Here's an excerpt:
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Adrian's reactions to the seemingly crazy Hiro are sooo funny. Nathan/Nikki (or is it Nathan/Jessica???) is pretty sexy too - dont'cha think?
Gladly
Okay, I haven't been reading the web stuff for fear that I'd never be able to stop until I was thoroughly spoiled. My resolve is melting quickly though.
skittlebrau
No! You must fight it! I refuse to read spoilers for this show. I like being surprised, for once. I love this show so much.
Rex Dart
I knew the waifish gamine was a baddie! (Obvious Plot Twist #2: Those aren't Claire's real parents.)

Still, not a bad ep, with (as usual) a totally unexpected ending. It was also neat how they were able to pull your strings with Niki's husband, going from "sounds like a bad guy" to "hmm, he seems really nice, but maybe it's a front?" to "wow, I really hope she doesn't kill this poor guy."

Claire's mom is a fun bit character, fussing over "Mr. Muggles" and such.
Magpie
This show has me second-guessing everything I see on it. Now I'm waiting for it to turn out that Claire's mom is really the brains behind everything.
TeslaNewton
I'm really hoping Claire's dad isn't evil. I feel bad for Niki. I knew those weren't Claire's real parents, but I'm liking that Claire seems to be buying a clue about her dad.
StellaStarr
It was kind of cool how DL reached into Niki's chest and held her heart (!). Talk about romance. But it's mind-boggling, because that means his arm phased through her chest but the hand was solid enough to mess with her heart... blink.gif Eh, it's a tv show.

I hated that Mohinder kissed the Pixie Spy. It was expected, but ugh.
Magpie
My husband claimed that DL's hand went into Niki's chest, then came back out to grab her by the throat. I claimed he was using two hands. Luckily, we do not have the powers that DL and Niki do, so no bodily flinging or internal organ grabbing was involved in the discussion.
Eris Rising
That really was one of the more disturbing images in a show filled with disturbing images. And imagine being Micah in that situation: Bad enough to walk in on a fight between your parents, but a superpowered one?
skittlebrau
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so no bodily flinging or internal organ grabbing was involved in the discussion.
<br>There was some serious remote wrangling on my part when Mr. Skittlebrau decided that the episode was over and Friday Night Lights was starting. Apparently there was a weird promo for FNL before the last segment of Heroes (which got cut off anyway.) I guess it wasn't worth the "GIVE ME THE REMOTE!" "NO! GO AWAY! MINE!" fight we had, seeing as the last thirty seconds didn't record. I did get to see D.L. stick his hand in Niki's chest, though. The rest was swallowed by a picky DVR.
starri
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It was kind of cool how DL reached into Niki's chest and held her heart (!). Talk about romance. But it's mind-boggling, because that means his arm phased through her chest but the hand was solid enough to mess with her heart...  Eh, it's a tv show.
Kitty Pryde's power is just as lacksidasical in the actual X-Men comics, so I can't hold them to a higher standard. So that gets a pass. Pluse when you think about it, if he can walk through a wall, what's to stop him from falling through the earth at the same time.

On the X-Men Evolution cartoon, Kitty once left a toothbrush inside Beast, so...

Niki became a whole lot more interesting. And Claire and her little main gay are too cute for words.
skittlebrau
I really like that scene with D.L. and Mika talking about comic books. It makes my geek heart happy that some of the "heroes" on this show are comic book fans. It's why I enjoy Hiro so much - and it makes me like D.L. a lot more to think that he wasn't just on the run for the past six months, he's been perfecting his walking-through-walls ability.
OfficerByrd
QUOTE (skittlebrau+Oct 31 2006, 12:16 PM)
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so no bodily flinging or internal organ grabbing was involved in the discussion.
<br>There was some serious remote wrangling on my part when Mr. Skittlebrau decided that the episode was over and Friday Night Lights was starting. Apparently there was a weird promo for FNL before the last segment of Heroes (which got cut off anyway.) I guess it wasn't worth the "GIVE ME THE REMOTE!" "NO! GO AWAY! MINE!" fight we had, seeing as the last thirty seconds didn't record. I did get to see D.L. stick his hand in Niki's chest, though. The rest was swallowed by a picky DVR. The same thing happened with mine! I saw Pixie at Isaac's door and heard her start talking to him and then "poof." Damn, I hate that.
max power
QUOTE (starri+Oct 31 2006, 02:04 PM)
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It was kind of cool how DL reached into Niki's chest and held her heart (!). Talk about romance. But it's mind-boggling, because that means his arm phased through her chest but the hand was solid enough to mess with her heart...  Eh, it's a tv show.
Kitty Pryde's power is just as lacksidasical in the actual X-Men comics, so I can't hold them to a higher standard. So that gets a pass. Pluse when you think about it, if he can walk through a wall, what's to stop him from falling through the earth at the same time.

On the X-Men Evolution cartoon, Kitty once left a toothbrush inside Beast, so... DL could also pick the lock by reaching inside, so presumably he's managed to control his ability enough to solidify the parts that need solidifying while leaving the rest phased.

How did Mirror Niki manage to kill the poker players JUST as Hiro conveniently leaves the room? Is she working with Future Hiro?
skittlebrau
Max Power, I just realized your name is Max Power. The name I'd like to touch. But I can never touch.

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Is she working with Future Hiro?
<br>When Ando said that Hiro could come back and do a "do-over," I thought: "Oh great, the season finale will be all about Hiro going back in time and stopping the entire Niki storyline from ever happening. Thank you, Hiro!"
potmeetskettle
Awwwwwwww!

You just know that drawing of Hiro is going to go for the most. How cute!
Eris Rising
Hiro may have the cutest one, but the Peter Pertrelli entry tempts me to bid.
potmeetskettle
I'm going to keep an eye on the bids and see what they look like on day #20. I also like Milo's drawing. Damn.
TeslaNewton
QUOTE (Eris Rising+Nov 6 2006, 03:14 PM)
Hiro may have the cutest one, but the Peter Pertrelli entry tempts me to bid.
Ha! Splat!
ActonBell
I'm with you, Eris. The Peter Petrelli picture fufills all of my dreams!

I think Milo may hate Peter as much as we do. In the new Entertainment Weekly story on Heroes he complained at length about the bangs and how annoying they are.
Gladly
Milo's drawing, combined with the part of the Entertainment Weekly article where he says:

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''I'm happy to be on a show that's bridging that gap of, 'Okay, I'm not a teenager anymore, I'm a man,''' says Ventimiglia, who believes he's still being undermined by his character's boyishly long bangs. (There's a drinking game in here somewhere: Take a shot every time Peter brushes aside an errant lock!) Ventimiglia's even suggested a brain-surgery story for Peter so he can shave his head.
<br>all make me like Peter more than just watching the show has.

(or, just like Acton said)
Eris Rising
QUOTE (ActonBell+Nov 6 2006, 12:51 PM)
I'm with you, Eris. The Peter Petrelli picture fufills all of my dreams!

I think Milo may hate Peter as much as we do. In the new Entertainment Weekly story on Heroes he complained at length about the bangs and how annoying they are.
It's just a matter of stopping off at the barber on the way to save the cheerleader.

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MARGE:  We're too late!

COBB:  I shouldn't have stopped for that haircut...
skittlebrau
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COBB:  I shouldn't have stopped for that haircut...
<br>Heh. North Haverbook!

I was going to suggest that something drastic happens where Peter shaves his head as a symbolic act, kind of like Lionel going to jail, but the brain cancer thing is just so much better. What if he's only Rogue because he has a tumor the size of a grapefruit?
DodgerGirl
I like Ali Larter's drawing as well. Milo's got some serious drawing skills. And the kid who plays Micah was cute with his "Micah rocks!" on his drawing.
TVJunkie
Oh, Heroes .. how I love you.

Was it just my bleary eyes, or did Micah's pupils look sort of red when he made the broken phone work? I like how Micah is so matter-of-fact about his power, what's going on with his mother and about being a hero. It's like he's got the best grip on having these abilities out of everyone, and he obviously has developed his powers at an earlier age than everyone else.

I believe the children are our future ...

It's a little sad that Nathan goes from lying to Peter about Linderman and the painting, to being honest about the attempted kidnapping, to lying again. I wonder if we'll ever see Linderman? I don't think Linderman is HRG, because I would think that Linderman would have been seen in the media and possibly by Nathan since Linderman has a history with Nathan's father. But, I could be wrong.
Gladly
QUOTE (TVJunkie+Nov 7 2006, 06:23 AM)
I like how Micah is so matter-of-fact about his power, what's going on with his mother and about being a hero.

I also loved how he could tell Niki from Jessica on the phone. I am holding out hope that Jessica isn't evil, just misunderstood. I also liked Nathan's conversation with Peter about how flying around can't really save people. Once he gets there, he's just another guy.

Rena Sofer is just absurdly beautiful. Other than that, I found the brunch scenes a little slow. I'd have to imagine, however, that she and Adrian Pasdar would create a race of genetically superior super-attractive people.

I want more of Richard Roundtree; I doubt they brought him on just to lay in a bed and then die. He's got to be more interesting than that.

So in Matt's storyline, Sylar wasn't responsible for any of the damage? The doctor's death was sort of an accident, and the wrecked apartment was just collateral damage by the radioactive Hero?
DodgerGirl
I really liked the scenes between Claire and her brother. Both kids did a good acting job there at the car.

Loved Hiro waving goodbye to Micah and his father after the accident, and Micah's comment to Ando, "Didn't you visit my mother?"

Didn't mind the slower brunch scenes so much, if only because hey! there's that slimey guy from "24", being slimey again! Glad we finally got around to finding out what happened to Nathan's wife.

One thing I missed: what was the cop's wife thinking that he heard to make him suddenly leave the house?
mambru
He'd started to talk about a discovery he made (his telepathy, I presume) but his wife immediately thought "Oh God, he knows," which brought him up short before he could finish his own explanation...so he was probably suspecting there was someone else.
DodgerGirl
Ah, okay. Thanks, mambru.
Rex Dart
My favorite cast member artwork is totally Mohinder's (who BTW wasn't even in this ep at all!)

I didn't get why Nathan told Peter that he couldn't get the painting. Was it to see how he would react, or to surprise him later, or what?

I like the ambiguity of the Nathan character. You could see him figuring out that he needs other people and becoming a good guy, or, being the type of person who takes it for granted that everyone around him should sacrifice themselves for his benefit, you could see him becoming a villain too. Of course, unless other characters become villains too, it'd be like Dr. Manhattan (Hiro), She-Hulk (Niki), Wolverine (Claire) and Rogue (Peter) versus, umm, Hawkman.

Guess Micah isn't a supergenius after all. I wonder if he can simply "repair broken things" (which seems like it wouldn't come up in plots all that naturally), or whether he can control the molecules of mechanical objects or whatever.

MORE GREG GRUNBERG. I love this guy so much! I think he is just so likeable and natural as an actor.

I also like Claire's buddy, who is as silly as a teen should be. (I saw someone refer to him as gay -- was this because he told Claire "believe me, I'm not interested in you" or something like that?)
skittlebrau
Whoever said a while back that ikiN was not the right name for Niki's other half, that Jessica was, give yourself a shiny quarter. I so wanted to use the name "Jessica" instead of ikiN but couldn't find confirmation of it via Google. I'm so glad it's actually Jessica.

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I also like Claire's buddy, who is as silly as a teen should be. (I saw someone refer to him as gay -- was this because he told Claire "believe me, I'm not interested in you" or something like that?)
<br>He started off as just cute and nerdy, but now he's like some sort of weird Goth kid, and they keep playing up the "outcast!" angle on him, so my 'dar just went off. It doesn't really have much to do with what's been presented on the show.

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I also like Claire's buddy, who is as silly as a teen should be. (I saw someone refer to him as gay -- was this because he told Claire "believe me, I'm not interested in you" or something like that?)
<br>He started off as just cute and nerdy, but now he's like some sort of weird Goth kid, and they keep playing up the "outcast!" angle on him, so my 'dar just went off. It doesn't really have much to do with what's been presented on the show.

I don't really get a Goth vibe from him.
<br>I didn't until last night, when he apparently was attacked by the ghost of Liza Minelli. Or he fell on some liquid eyeliner. Choose your punchline.
Shawn
I agree he seems like an outcast, but I don't really get a Goth vibe from him. I also like the angle of his friendship with Claire that he's sort of a loser and she's quite popular yet they're friends despite their social standings. I actually think it's realistic.
preciosa
Everytime Nathan smiles I think "Shark." He's jut so ambiguous as a character now. But then again I'm still holding out hope for Niki so take that as you will.
TVJunkie
QUOTE (TVJunkie+Oct 26 2006, 05:06 AM)
I just have to vent - and this is not directed to anyone here, but rather the internet as a whole and all the Heroes boards:

Claire's father is "HRG". That stands for "Horned Rimmed Glasses"

Niki's alter-ego is "Jessica", not "ikiN" for fuck's sake.

DL (played by Leonard Roberts) is NOT the Haitian (aka Deep Cleaner).

Sorry. I needed to get that out.
I will quote myself and take that quarter, thank you.

Also, radioactive guy (Ted Sprague) is NOT Sylar. I repeat .. NOT Sylar. (He's also not the dude from "24". Sylar *is* the dude from "24", but not Ted Sprague. Howz that for confusing?)

You may now resume your Hero worship.
skittlebrau
I love radioactive guy already. Poor guy gave his wife cancer. Wear some led underbritches, dude!

ETA: I was just skipping around IMDb, and Adrian Pasdar is married to Natalie Maines? I did not know this. This fascinates me.
max power
This show is so awesome!

Yay, Evil Glasses Man is not evil, he just loves his daughter! But he still may not be entirely good. I don't get why he can't just ground Claire for that night and lock her in her room (sort of like when FutureDwight saves Stanley from drinking the poisoned coffee. "NOOOOOO!!!! You'll thank me later.")

Did EGM imply that Pixie was a druggie when he found her? Is she also a mutant, perhaps with powers of persuasion?

I heart Memory Waitress, and I hope Hiro saves her.

This is a nitpick, but wouldn't Clea Duvall and Matt have to leave the room for a few hours after their dose badges turned red? Why can't they just talk to Radioactive Man from behind a lead shield or something?
Rex Dart
QUOTE (max power+)
Yay, Evil Glasses Man is not evil, he just loves his daughter! But he still may not be entirely good.

Yeah, I don't know if we can conclude anything about that yet.

QUOTE (max power+)
Did EGM imply that Pixie was a druggie when he found her?

Yes.

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Is she also a mutant, perhaps with powers of persuasion?

Interesting. Although it didn't seem to work on Mohinder. But, could be.

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I heart Memory Waitress, and I hope Hiro saves her.

I both agree and disagree. I definitely grew to love the character right away, and it'd be nice to see more of her in that sense. But, I also like that the show is willing to kill off a sympathetic character. And I think if Hiro can successfully go back in time and "un-do" anything that happens, it's likely to create a bunch of plotholes. Things would just be too easy for the heroes. I guess I don't mind if he ultimately saves her, but I'd prefer if he fucked up repeatedly along the way. Which brings me to:

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I don't get why he can't just ground Claire for that night and lock her in her room

He certainly might as well try. But, I think it's like Greek tragedy where if it was meant to happen, it's gonna happen. If Oedipus runs away from home, he just ends up killing his father and marrying his mother anyway. You know. Now of course, that's essentially contradictory in a way because if locking her in her room wouldn't work, then how can the heroes save the cheerleader and save the world at all? I guess you can't think too hard about this stuff.

Anyhoo, another good episode, even with half the characters not in it. Sounds like Mohinder's sister had powers. Not sure whether Mohinder himself does (or whether I want him to or not.) Also not sure what we're supposed to get out of the little Indian kid and "sleep learning."

I guess some of the heroes (Radioactive Man, Greg Grunberg) had their powers activated (or perhaps even implanted, but I'm guessing they were there, but dormant), and others had them manifest on their own?

Claire is supposed to be 14?? Okayyy.
DodgerGirl
Kids grow up so fast these days.

I loved EGM showing his love for his daughter, and we got a little bit of how they ended up with her. He's got to be working for some sort of government Sooper Seekrit research division.

Re: Memory Waitress and Hiro: doesn't the close up of their picture on the bulletin board show something happened in the now past?
ActonBell
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Claire is supposed to be 14?? Okayyy.
<br>No, I think she was probably a toddler when whatever it was that happened with her parents went down.
TVJunkie
HRG - "Horn Rimmed Glasses". He's not really evil.

Re: Hiro and waitress. Yes, the photograph is from her birthday part from a few months earlier. At the beginning of the episode, it was a picture of just the waitress. At the end of the episode, it was a picture of Hiro and her.

Eden's power is the power of persuasion. And I think she planted a 'seed' with Mohinder when he left to do the funeral thing with his dad's ashes and she 'told' him he'd be back, or they'd see each other again, or something like that.

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Zoe
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HRG - "Horn Rimmed Glasses". He's not really evil.
<br>He strikes me as a very "ends justifies the means" kind of guy, which isn't evil but isn't always really good either. I like the depth in his character, which I think the actor has done a good job of implying all along. Maybe he's not going to bother locking Claire in her room on Homecoming night because he knows that if Sylar's going to go after her he'll do it whether she's at homecoming or not, and at least this way he has an idea of what going to happen and can try to prevent it.


Magpie
QUOTE (TVJunkie+Nov 14 2006, 11:10 AM)
Eden's power is the power of persuasion. And I think she planted a 'seed' with Mohinder when he left to do the funeral thing with his dad's ashes and she 'told' him he'd be back, or they'd see each other again, or something like that.
That was my take on it. I thought that she wasn't trying to get him not to leave (even though HRG seemed to get a bit huffy about that later on), but instead was "ordering" him to come back.

On the other hand, maybe Mohinder's power is resistance to persuasion. It might be amusing if Heroes that can cancel each other's powers out start popping up.
skittlebrau
I totally love that Claire's dad isn't an out-and-out bad guy. That actor is tearing the hell out of this part. I almost like him more than Hiro. ALMOST.
Eris Rising
Yeah, nevermind.
ActonBell
Claire's dad has suffered. Think of all of the shenanigans scheming Sammy Jo pulled on him throughout the years:

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It's sad how I still remember Jack Coleman from Dynasty...
DodgerGirl
He's still a handsome man.
Eris Rising
QUOTE (TVJunkie+Nov 14 2006, 09:10 AM)
HRG - "Horn Rimmed Glasses". He's not really evil.

Re: Hiro and waitress. Yes, the photograph is from her birthday part from a few months earlier. At the beginning of the episode, it was a picture of just the waitress. At the end of the episode, it was a picture of Hiro and her.

Eden's power is the power of persuasion. And I think she planted a 'seed' with Mohinder when he left to do the funeral thing with his dad's ashes and she 'told' him he'd be back, or they'd see each other again, or something like that.

ph34r.gif
"See, this is how it works. The mommy plants a seed in the daddy's ear, and he goes to India for a couple of weeks to think things over...."

Nice close-up of the picture at the end. Even when the episode isn't perfect, they do the cliffhanger/mysterious ending better than anyone on television right now.
ActonBell
Is it okay to talk about casting news here? Because if so, hoo boy...
Mike-El
I saw it too, ActonBell. It's a full-on geekgasm. And, no, it's not the bogus Sean Bean rumor.
Eris Rising
I also saw it, over at SF. Yowza. Geekgasm is right.
ActonBell
Total Geekgasm. I feel very Comic Book Guy right now.
DodgerGirl
Link please! Or PM me.
Rex Dart
Linda Evans???
ActonBell
Actually, if they found a way to work the whole cast of Dynasty into the show it would be very cool. Alas, it's probably not meant to be.
Spike
I'm giddily excited!
DoubleHelix
Thank you for containing yourselves. I detest spoilers.

Here's hoping that Hiro can save the waitress, because Jayma Mays rocks in everything I've seen her in.
skittlebrau
Oh, I'm geeky, but I'm not THAT geeky. But I'm glad you guys are excited. This bodes well for me even though I've never seen that particular show. (To reveal said show would be spoilerage, and I am like, so above gossip, dude.)
TeslaNewton
I am ashamed. I saw that and I squeed.
Spike
I'm so geeky that I want to tell someone in RL, but there's no one who would care.
OfficerByrd
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!1!

I'm OK. No, really. It's cool.
TeslaNewton
I squeed when I told my husband. And made the Wallace hand gesture (from Wallace & Gromit). More than once.
Mike-El
EVEN MORE incredibly geektastic Heroes casting news. Can January get here fast enough?

(It's the answer to the blind item at the end of the news from a couple of days ago.)
Eris Rising
I'm just going to sit here stunned for a while. If casting is an art form (and I say that it is), then this is Michaelangelo's David.
skittlebrau
I think I just wet my pants. I get a live action Martian Manhunter and now this.

max power
I'm too young for the original spoiler to have any effect, but OMG at the second one. That is awesome on about five different levels.
Spike
That is so awesome!
Magpie
I have a sudden urge to squee!
DodgerGirl
Yippee!!
Gladly
Okay, I loved last night's show, but I'm so confused at the end of it.

1) Is this new "6 months earlier" a reset? I Do I have to go through the rest of the season knowing that a) that sweet waitress dies and b) waiting to find out whether or not Jessica shot DL?

2) Eden and the Haitian aren't evil, right? They were there working for Mr. Bennett and not pursuing their own agenda? At first, when it was just Eden talking to Sylar, I though she was evil. The presence of the Haitian makes me think she's still good.

I love that the show is letting us see how the heroes find their powers, and that there's a good chance Sylar won't be just a villianous villian with unexplained motivation.
Zoe
What I'm curious about is the fact that they all seem to have discovered their powers within the same relatively brief time frame and very suddenly. What happened to precipitate it? Are we going to find out that Mr. Bennett and his sidekicks have visited all the people who recently developed powers and that's why the transformation? Or am I just missing something?
TeslaNewton
QUOTE (Gladly+Nov 21 2006, 09:36 AM)
Okay, I loved last night's show, but I'm so confused at the end of it.

1) Is this new "6 months earlier" a reset? I Do I have to go through the rest of the season knowing that a) that sweet waitress dies and cool.gif waiting to find out whether or not Jessica shot DL?

2) Eden and the Haitian aren't evil, right? They were there working for Mr. Bennett and not pursuing their own agenda? At first, when it was just Eden talking to Sylar, I though she was evil. The presence of the Haitian makes me think she's still good.

I love that the show is letting us see how the heroes find their powers, and that there's a good chance Sylar won't be just a villianous villian with unexplained motivation.
1. I think the "6 months" isn't a reset, but a recap of the past six months. Maybe they'll fill in some more details.

2. I thought Eden was evil too, when I saw that, but now, I don't know. I hope they aren't evil. Sylar's power was really creepy.
Shawn
As fantastic as that episode was, I think I'm even more excited for next week's flashback episode.

I love this show.
StellaStarr
QUOTE (Zoe+Nov 21 2006, 09:48 AM)
What I'm curious about is the fact that they all seem to have discovered their powers within the same relatively brief time frame and very suddenly. What happened to precipitate it? Are we going to find out that Mr. Bennett and his sidekicks have visited all the people who recently developed powers and that's why the transformation? Or am I just missing something?
I've been wondering about that since the beginning of this show. I want to know who Patient Zero is, and if that's Sylar. I wanna know if he's connected to the bomb that goes off--otherwise, what would "save the cheerleader, save the world" mean?

I also hope that the "6 months earlier" scenes next week will reveal that this is when these people became super. I think it was some sort of exposure to some kind of stimulus that made them this way. The waitress had said that she had only begun experiencing excellent memory very recently. Jessica appeared around the time DL went to jail, which I think someone mentioned as roughly 6 months ago.
Shambola
I love the premise, I am hating the pacing. Apparently, a lot of people thought last night ep was good. I thought it was treading too close to Lost territory - 50 minutes of ZzZzZzZzzzz followed by 2 minutes of action (literally, in last night's ep with a CLOCK), and another 5 min of set up for the next episode. BLAH! Mohinder needs to die along with his story line. It could've been condensed into a single 3 min segment, TOTAL. It is mind-blowingly slow and boring and I don't care if he ever comes back, having it used as a filler between action sequences is just... awful.

Simone - bring back the curly hair, please.

I like Claire's character development, however. I want to know how her dad knew the exact time when she is going to be killed (from the previous ep, conversation with Izaac) and why if it is so easy to take out Sylar, they haven't done that sooner. Seems easier than trying to keep a teenager grounded. How did they know where he is going to be? In the woods? Why not wait for him at the stadium? They had a painting with Claire running up the steps, obviously still alive.

Also good - Micah/DL interaction about Nicki/Jessica and "I am not wearing tights". But I find it extremely frustrating that half the time I spend screaming at the TV "SPEED IT UP!!!". Stuff with Sylar in the locker room was sufficiently creepy, but Jessica's god awful stereotyped behaviour kind of ruined it.

Sad about the side kick being gay, but only because they make such a cute couple! "Embrace your inner freak" stuff rocked. More of them, please.
TeslaNewton
I really like the show, but I think the pacing could be sped up a bit. Also, I was a teensy bit disappointed by how homecoming played out. I really wanted to see more supers involved. And we really need Hiro back. I'm all right with Mohinder. I guess I just want to see where is going much faster than it's taking.
bellyache
QUOTE (Shawn+Nov 21 2006, 09:56 AM)
As fantastic as that episode was, I think I'm even more excited for next week's flashback episode.

I love this show.
I agree. I'm loving the show and next weeks episode look really good. Although, I do agree with some of the others that this latest episode could have been paced quicker, but I still enjoyed it.
Eris Rising
I suppose it could have been paced faster, but I think that it provides a nice change from other "super" shows that end up being wholly oriented on the action, and allows for actual character development.

And I'll say it again: No one does the final two minutes like this show.
skittlebrau
I don't mind the pacing. I think it's brilliant, actually.

I kept shouting "They'll both get up because they're ROGUE and they can SUPERHEAL NOW!" which earned a lot of "OKAY I GET IT YOU'RE A NERD SHUT UP NOW YOU'RE RUINING THE SHOW" from the husband type. I don't think it's natural how much I love this show.
Rex Dart
I do agree that Mohinder's subplot has been a shaggy dog story, but I think that in general, the show is very well-paced. Although it didn't exactly take a genius to figure out that Peter wouldn't die because he'd copycat Claire's powers, I still thought the scenes worked pretty well.

Good call by those who figured out that the Waifish Gamine had mind-control powers; I thought that was an unlikely theory. But it turned out to be the right call, making her extremely powerful, really! I think we still don't have enough info (in a good way!) to be able to tell whether she and her cohorts are fully evil, evil with understandable motivations, or actually good guys.

But it's definitely not meant to be coincidence IMO that everyone's powers began to manifest at the same time. I don't know if everyone was "activated" by Claire's dad and his gang (only Greg Grunberg and Radioactive Man have shown us explicit evidence of that, but then again, no one would remember...), but in any event, something happened at that time to set all this in motion.

And, I guess Claire's friend is probably gay after all. Though they didn't come out (no pun intended) and say it. Not sure whether that was because they were afraid of a public reaction, or because they want some leeway or some other creative reason. I sure hope it's the latter; I mean, it's 2006. I do like that the show has nonchalantly presented at least two interracial couples (maybe more depending on how you define things.)
Eris Rising
I'm suspecting three in the future/past with Hiro and Charlie. But, yes, I agree with your point about how nice it is to see such a thing presented as no big deal.

I think that the not-quite coming out is realistic for a high school boy who is just now getting close to his female friend. He desperately wants to say it out loud (and she probably knows), but he's still a bit nervous about it.

Although--HAH!--what if that's a ruse, and he's really an intern at the "paper company"? The tape was never lost, he just gave it to the Dad. No, I don't think that's what actually happened. But this show has surprised me before.
floundering
I'm enjoying the show a lot and didn't even notice any slow spots. I'm even interested in Mohinder's story. But it did strike me as funny that a couple of people asked Peter if that was him in the painting -- dude, it looks just like you!
skittlebrau
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what if that's a ruse, and he's really an intern at the "paper company"?
<br>It's a paper company? I did not know that. Why would a paper salesman have to travel all over the world? To demonstrate... fontability?

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what if that's a ruse, and he's really an intern at the "paper company"?
<br>It's a paper company? I did not know that. Why would a paper salesman have to travel all over the world? To demonstrate... fontability?

Although it didn't exactly take a genius to figure out that Peter wouldn't die
<br>Oooh, yes, I know. I'm not saying I'm a genius, I'm saying I'm annoying. I should really watch this show alone for all the clapping and squeeing I do. It shouldn't be witnessed by anyone.
Rex Dart
Heh, wasn't even thinking about your earlier post there; I was just trying to say that although it wasn't "suspenseful" in the sense of you wondering how he could possibly survive this, it was still an effective sequence.

Maybe you can paint the future, too!
wisdomy
QUOTE (floundering+Nov 22 2006, 01:53 PM)
it did strike me as funny that a couple of people asked Peter if that was him in the painting -- dude, it looks just like you!
Seriously...
"Is that you in the painting?"
"You mean the guy with my hair, and my clothes, that looks exactly like me? I dunno."

I'm really loving this show, but I do think that a few characters could go. Simone is deathly boring. Matt's wife is boring and irritating. Mohinder needs to start actually doing something interesting real soon, because the pretty only holds my attention for so long.

The good heavily outweighs the bad though, so I'm totally in.
ActonBell
Masi Oka and Ali Larter were on the Today show as part of the Thanksgiving day parade this morning, they looked very cute.
TVJunkie
Yeah, I'm not sure what Simone's role is supposed to be in the big picture. I agree that Matt's wife is dull as dirt.

As for the development of their powers, I get the feeling that some of them have been discovering their powers at different times. Eden comes to mind since we know she has the power of persuasion, but she's working with HRG so that means she discovered her powers way before Claire and many of the others did according to what we've been shown. Also, DL must have known about his powers for awhile, and Niki obviously has had Jessica in her head for awhile, she just didn't know it.

All I get from Mohinder is that he's like the Professor Xavier of the show. Only, not nearly as cool as Patrick Stewart.
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