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qb9b
I assume I'm not the only one watching this because some of you guys referenced reading the posts over in the TWoP section (I am being Boards on Boards?).

I didn't think it was the best show ever - but I am missing teen-angst shows now that The O.C. is gone and even my guiltiest pleasure - One Tree Hill isn't coming back until the winter.

I think it is hard to tell how good a show is going to be from the pilot, where they have to fit in a lot of backstory. The narration did bother me, but I can see that getting more subtle as the show goes on. I liked most of the characters, except Chuck.

I should also add that I've never read the books, so I'm not bothered by any of the inconsistencies.
badgered
The pilot was okay. There's definite room for improvement, though. Definitely enjoyed the Dan character -- Penn Badgely played the awkward/shy/geeky thing well -- and his interactions with Jenny. Didn't care for Nate, but maybe I'm biased because reading the books I always thought he was a pothead loser who didn't deserve Blair or Serena's affections.

I didn't care one whit for the parents' storylines -- they seemed so forced.

The Blair/Serena dynamic is the most interesting on the show. The two girls are perfectly cast, and Leighton Meester does a great bitchface, which is key for Blair.
skittlebrau
I tuned in like fifteen minutes after it started and immediately got lost. Why do these kids look 14 yet they're all drinking and having sex? Why are the parents talking about being groupies for Nine Inch Nails if they have kids old enough to drink? Why is Veronica Mars narrating the show? Is she in the show? Was that really Kristin Bell, because it sounded like her.
p2c2e
There in high school, so they aren't old enough to drink, they just do. I don't know why they were talking about Nine Inch Nails but if the mom slept with Trent Reznor, Layne Staley and Perry Farrell, I hope she got tested regularly and often for STDS.

Yes, it was Kristen Bell, no she really won't be on the "show" she is blogger like Perez Hilton instead she gossips about high school students for some reason.
fofanna1
The problem I have with the show (and, yes, I am an old fogey) is the casual acceptance of sex and drinking among these young teenagers. Shouldn't someone be pointing out that this is a really bad idea?
skittlebrau
QUOTE (fofanna1+Sep 20 2007, 05:04 PM)
The problem I have with the show (and, yes, I am an old fogey) is the casual acceptance of sex and drinking among these young teenagers. Shouldn't someone be pointing out that this is a really bad idea?

See, I feel like an old fart for thinking that, too. But this was not like kids sneaking in to the liquor cabinet to steal sips of Schnapp's. This was a couple of young girls who certainly did not look 21 sitting a the hotel bar sipping martinis. Which is why I generally assumed the characters were at least drinking age, because what bartender in their right mind lets a minor drink right at the bar. (One who doesn't want to work there for long?)
fernbeau
QUOTE (skittlebrau+Sep 20 2007, 05:43 PM)
QUOTE (fofanna1+Sep 20 2007, 05:04 PM)
The problem I have with the show (and, yes, I am an old fogey) is the casual acceptance of sex and drinking among these young teenagers. Shouldn't someone be pointing out that this is a really bad idea?

See, I feel like an old fart for thinking that, too. But this was not like kids sneaking in to the liquor cabinet to steal sips of Schnapp's. This was a couple of young girls who certainly did not look 21 sitting a the hotel bar sipping martinis. Which is why I generally assumed the characters were at least drinking age, because what bartender in their right mind lets a minor drink right at the bar. (One who doesn't want to work there for long?)
I'd say, one whose boss knows who's paying the bills. These kids are so rich and privileged that pesky things like, oh...laws, don't apply to them. And yeah, someone should point out that drinking, drugging, and sexing it up at 17 isn't such a great idea, but the parents are no prize either, except maybe the "poor" rock 'n roll dad.
skittlebrau
QUOTE (fernbeau+Sep 20 2007, 06:06 PM)
but the parents are no prize either, except maybe the "poor" rock 'n roll dad.
Another thing that makes me feel old: The men I find attractive are now playing the "dad" characters. See: Matthew Settle. Also Tate Donovan.
preciosa
QUOTE (fofanna1+Sep 20 2007, 05:04 PM)
The problem I have with the show (and, yes, I am an old fogey) is the casual acceptance of sex and drinking among these young teenagers. Shouldn't someone be pointing out that this is a really bad idea?
Well if they're going for realism, they kind of hit the nail on the head in that regard.
fofanna1
Am I the only one who thinks that drinking and having sex is a bad idea if you're 14, 15 , even 16? This is a show that's on during primetime on network TV --- maybe someone should be a little concerned that this behavior is accepted so casually?
skittlebrau
QUOTE (fofanna1+Sep 20 2007, 10:32 PM)
Am I the only one who thinks that drinking and having sex is a bad idea if you're 14, 15 , even 16? This is a show that's on during primetime on network TV --- maybe someone should be a little concerned that this behavior is accepted so casually?
I'm more annoyed that they seem to be getting away with it than anything else. Maybe that is my way of saying I also find it reprehensible that the parents so casually accept it. But really, I'm pissed that my friends and I had to do a lot of fucking work to get away with drinking and sex when we were in highschool. Stupid rich kids! You'll never learn the value of the "I'll be at Jennifer's house studying!" lie! They know you're not studying but it's the look of the thing -- you're ruining the whole balance of the parent/teenager universe! GOD!
jcpdiesel21
Eh, didn't care for this show. I've read a couple of the books, and they're not a lot more than easy, trashy entertainment. The series looks like it's going to be the exact same thing.

fofanna1, you're not the only one who doesn't care for the underage drinking and sex. I realize that it's definitely out there, but it's like the show pretty much condones it and rubs it in the viewers' faces. I guess I'm not totally comfortable with that.
preciosa
I'm not condoning it. I'm just saying that whether we like it or not it happens a lot. It's not rubbing it in our faces IMO, if anything it might make some parents wonder what their kids are doing when they say that they are at whoever's house.
GoodLuckWithThat
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Why do these kids look 14 yet they're all drinking and having sex? Why are the parents talking about being groupies for Nine Inch Nails if they have kids old enough to drink?
I'm not a groupie but it is my favorite band. I have a 15 year old who bought me concert tickets 3-4 years ago for Mother's day. I swear I felt like the oldest person in attendance. I'm now 33.

These things aren't unusual where I went to school. My friends and I regularly went to bars with fake IDs at 16, were all social drug users and sexually active. Sad but true. Our parents turned their heads and pretended it didn't happen. I can relate to some of the characters on this show.

Now I need to take back making fun of TWOPpers who annoy me for sharing personal experiences on the Internet. I feel dirty.
fofanna1
Whether it's commonplace behavior or not, it just concerns me that no one on the show seems to think that it should be portrayed as being potentially harmful behavior. I don't think kids this age are mature enough to deal with the consequences of sexual activity and substance abuse and someone on the show should be saying that.
Rae0618
I watched the show and agree with fofanna and others, the sex and drinking seemed wrong. I know that teens do this stuff, hell I did it, but the show is making it look more glamourous than it is. The sex scene was too erotic for my taste. I just find it hard to belive that teens are that comfortable with sex. Teen sex, in my opinion, is uncomfortable and bad because you haven't developed a true sexual self yet. And when we drank it was sloppy and just all around bad not "Oh so sophisticated". Or I'm just another old fart. Other than that it looks like it might be an intresting show but I'm still on the fence.


And with that I come out of lurkdom. I wanted to talk about this show but didn't want to at TWOP.
preciosa
Then it's up to the parents to either regulate what their children watch or raise a discussion with the kids. To say that that's GGs job is pretty close to a "the TV made me do it" accusation.
dd86
To be fair, Josh Schwartz responded to the drinking/sex/drugs criticism and said they will eventually have to deal with consequences.

Even the actor who played Dan said he felt like the first two episodes were kind of doing a bad thing, and he worried about the show. By the third episode, he said he saw that there was the potential to do something good.

The show's got an addictive quality, but it's nowhere near as good as the most addictive teen soaps have been in the past. I'm not worried about the drinking and sex, I'm worried about finding characters I actually like. Dan's a good one, and I liked Blair, but everyone else, Chuck especially, came off badly. Chuck's a caricature, and I understand how it might work in a series of books, but in a weekly television series? No way.
fofanna1
QUOTE (preciosa+Sep 21 2007, 10:15 AM)
Then it's up to the parents to either regulate what their children watch or raise a discussion with the kids. To say that that's GGs job is pretty close to a "the TV made me do it" accusation.

Well, I was going to add that no way would a teenager of mine ever watch this show unless I was sitting right next to him but then I thought you'd really call the Old Fogey Police.
And, no, it's not Gossip Girl's job to tell teens that this behavior is bad, but they can certainly be criticized for glamorizing that behavior, right?
Gaol Bait
I suppose, but like preciosa said, I really don't think it's every frickin' show's responsibility to be all moral and portray, like, good role models. Isn't that what 7th Heaven was for? tongue.gif

But really, high school kids have sex, drink, and smoke pot. Should they? Well, that's up to the kid, and the parents. I don't think it always (or even usually) results in disastrous results and ruined lives. But then, I personally find the kids' Cruel Intentions-esque behavior much more troubling than the drinking and sexing.

QUOTE (dd86+)
Chuck's a caricature, and I understand how it might work in a series of books, but in a weekly television series? No way.

Yeah, I agree. He's already worn out his welcome. He's not even fun to hate. I just want him off my television.
fofanna1
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But really, high school kids have sex, drink, and smoke pot. Should they? Well, that's up to the kid, and the parents. I don't think it always (or even usually) results in disastrous results and ruined lives.
Well, not all high school kids are doing this and I believe that the possibility for disastrous results is greater than if a high school kids is not doing any of these things. As a parent, you'd prefer that your child have as disastrous-free a life as possible, so anything you can do to avoid that, you do. I would actually be more concerned with a tween, who is not yet in high school, watching this show and sees this as being very glamorous and exciting. Someone who's already in high school is more likely to have either adopted this lifestyle or not.
Gaol Bait
I just think you're taking this too seriously, I guess. What about a show called "Gossip Girl" featuring a bunch of idle rich kids in Manhattan suggests it's going to be old-fashioned wholesome entertainment? And why should it be? I wouldn't want to watch this show if it was about a bunch of nice kids who drink soda and eat chips when they're not studying and doing charity work.
fofanna1
QUOTE (Gaol Bait+Sep 28 2007, 11:26 AM)
I just think you're taking this too seriously, I guess. What about a show called "Gossip Girl" featuring a bunch of idle rich kids in Manhattan suggests it's going to be old-fashioned wholesome entertainment? And why should it be? I wouldn't want to watch this show if it was about a bunch of nice kids who drink soda and eat chips when they're not studying and doing charity work.
I could respond by saying that I don't think you're taking it seriously enough but that would just be rude, wouldn't it?
And my concern isn't the premise of the show - -- it's based on a book about rich NYC kids who drink, drug and have sex so of course that's what the show will be about - my concern was that it glamorizes this behavior. And that's why it's a show I wouldn't want a young child of mine to watch.
Gaol Bait
QUOTE (fofanna+)
I could respond by saying that I don't think you're taking it seriously enough but that would just be rude, wouldn't it?

I apologize for being rude and/or dismissive. I appreciate your opinion, and understand your concern. I just think television would really suck if every show had to be appropriate for an audience of sheltered 12-year-olds.
fofanna1
Apology accepted. Where we really differ is that where I see responsible parenting, you see "sheltered 12 year-olds". And nowhere did I say that I thought all TV should be appropriate for children -- I just think that a show aimed at kids should be appropriate for kids -- maybe this show isn't being marketed that way but it seems as if it were.
We've really beaten this subject into the ground, haven't we?
Gaol Bait
Yes, and you've said you wouldn't allow your kid to watch this show. That's your right and your responsibility; that's what parenting is about. But you seem upset that the show even exists, at least in its current format. That's all well and good -- I object to the content of a lot of shows, mostly on the grounds that they suck -- but again, it comes down to the belief that if it's not appropriate for your 12-year-old kid, then it shouldn't be on the air. Otherwise, I don't see your objection.

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We've really beaten this subject into the ground, haven't we?
Ha. Yes, we certainly have. Sorry for hijacking the thread, everyone. To get back on topic, I really like Dan and Serena, individually and together. And surprisingly, I sort of like how they use the same song through several scenes, weaving it into the background and then bringing it to the forefront. This last episode, it was that "Shut Up And Drive" song, and I think it worked.
fofanna1
I said I wouldn't let my kid watch this show alone - I would watch it with him. I think a 12 year-old is still a child and needs guidance regarding this behavior. Actually, it would probably be a good show to watch with your pre-teen because then you could discuss it with him or her.
Gaol Bait
Okay, that makes sense. I think this is why I don't have kids. My cats get a little too frisky on occasion, and sometimes they hit the catnip a little too hard. But for the most part, I don't have to worry.
fofanna1
I always tell my husband that if we had spoiled our kids the way we spoil our cats we would have had the most obnoxious children on the planet.
badgered
OMFG! Did anyone watch?

I liked the episode. Still annoyed by Jenny, but I think Taylor Momsen had her best moment of acting in the crying scene with Rufus. I think Jenny's still in over her head with those "friends" of hers. And Nate probably wouldn't be too happy if he knew she was using him to improve her social status.

I'm so, so confused by why Blair feels she needs those lame "A-list" girls. Who, by the way, appear to age in range from 10 to about 35.

Aw, Dan and Serena are cuteness. I almost -- almost -- felt bad for Chuck when Serena kept accusing him of sending her all that stuff. But then I remembered that Chuck is a sleazy attempted rapist, and I stopped feeling sorry for him.
Bunnicula
"The Blair Bitch Project" was an awesome episode and I am so glad that Gossip Girl is back. Jenny is annoying, but I like that now she's supposed to be annoying and/or a bit of a villain. It feels like at some point Blair and Jenny's feud may end up coming between Dan and Serena so that could be a different way to create tension in their relationship since the whole class issue is already a little played out between them. I really like the storylines that Lily and Bart's engagement opens up, too, with Chuck, Serena and Eric.
preciosa
Murder!!! Really! This I have to see play out. I'm already thinking up ways that it could have gone down because Lord knows Georgie is a crazy bitch!

And for an inkling I felt sorry for Jenny but then I remembered just how low she stooped and it withers away.
Flava Flav
Last night's episode was awesome. OMFG indeed. And there were tons of lines that made me LOL, especially the ones about Zac Efron and Tom Cruise. And Eric saying that Serena thought he was Gossip Girl was a very Josh Schwartz meta moment.

I loved Blair and Jenny's scene at the end. It didn't even dawn on me until then that there was no Nate to be seen. I didn't miss him at all.

I am a Dan and Serena fan so the previews made me sad. Was Serena hooking up with the guy she went to the ball with? I couldn't tell.
badgered
Yeah, that episode rocked. Blair is just all kinds of awesome. And the Serena/Blair relationship is the highlight of the show. The contrast between scheming bitch Blair and concerned friend Blair in the final scene with Serena was great.

I sorta feel sorry for Jenny, but really she was in over her head. I am interested, though, to see what direction they take her character in now.

OMFG I can't really believe Serena killed someone. Maybe it was in self-defense or something.
GoodLuckWithThat
I watch with closed captioning so I tried to understand what was being said on the video. Is it being inferred that Georgina was involving Serena in a sex thing with another couple? Or did I really miss what was going on? I thought it flashed a couple's last name but I really wasn't sure.
no no no
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Last night's episode was awesome. OMFG indeed. And there were tons of lines that made me LOL, especially the ones about Zac Efron and Tom Cruise.
Those and the line about Spitzer being seated far away from Serena's table at the wedding were fantastic. The writing seems sharper in these newer episodes. It just keeps getting better every week. I didn't notice that Nate and Chuck weren't in it until it was over.

Georgina is great. She's like a crazier Valerie Malone. I'm glad that Mischa Barton is so deluded about her movie career that she turned down this role. She'd have Georgina widening her eyes and slumping her shoulders in every scene.
qb9b
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Georgina is great. She's like a crazier Valerie Malone.
<br>no no no, I love your thought on this and I loved Val, so I say bring it on!

I thought the episode was awesome. I loved that the girl they sabotaged on the SATs in now one of Blair's girls. I'm also glad to see the end (at least for now) of the Jenny/Blair war. I like seeing Jenny trying to scheme, she went to the top too fast.

I really want to read the books, but I'm way to embarassed to go to the bookstore or library for them. I'm thinking about amazoning them used. For those of you who read them, do you guys think they are worth it?
badgered
QUOTE (qb9b+May 6 2008, 08:59 PM)
For those of  you who read them, do you guys think they are worth it?

Embrace the teen trash. I used to read them at Barnes and Noble. Because I am most definitely *not* a teen, it was a wee bit embarrassing to be in the teen section, but whatever (hey, I was just there the other day examining the "new" Sweet Valley High books. Perfect size fours indeed).

Be warned, though: The books are different from the show. Book Serena annoyed me. She was one of those girls who drifted through life and got everything without trying, while Blair tried and tried and usually was left in Serena's shadow (this was touched upon in the episode "Bad News Blair"). Chuck is not a main character. Book Jenny has enormous boobs and Book Vanessa has a shaved head, which OMG so wouldn't fly on the CW. Stuff like that.

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I watch with closed captioning so I tried to understand what was being said on the video. Is it being inferred that Georgina was involving Serena in a sex thing with another couple? Or did I really miss what was going on? I thought it flashed a couple's last name but I really wasn't sure.
<br>I'm gonna spoiler this just in case...

I think the couple's last name was "Shepard," which was the wedding at which Nate and Serena hooked up last year. The promo really confused me. There was clearly a flashback to the Shepard wedding -- I think that's the part where Serena's running outside in Nate's shirt, getting a cab. But then there was Serena looking drugged up with some guy pawing her -- dunno if that was from the *tape* or what. 'Cause then there was Chuck and Nate helping Serena, and Chuck saying she didn't come home last night, so I guess it could have been from that. And then there's Serena telling Dan she slept with someone else. I don't know. It's so confusing.
Flava Flav
Oops.
Flava Flav
I re-watched the episode last night (yes I have a lot of time on my hands) and from what I remember this is what happened on the video:

Georgina tells someone that the camera is where Serena can't see it. Then a guy asks, "Will she be down for this?" and G answers, "Serena goes down for anything." (Oh, Georgina!) Then G asks about the Shepard wedding and Serena answers, "I did something really stupid" (sleep with Nate). Then Serena fast-forwards and you can hear her say, "I'm hot, it's too hot" and the male voice answers, "You are too hot." Then she stopped watching.


preciosa
Wow. Georgina! I think she has surpassed Valerie Malone and is in Kimberly territory. That bitch is insane.
badgered
Seriously, I get scared every time she's on screen. MT is doing a great job, because Georgina terrifies me.

Dan--gah. I'm so disappointed in him. I had really grown to like him. Then some girl he's known for all of two weeks feeds him a few lines and he's kissing her. Granted, Serena gave him many reasons to not trust her, but G exploited his weak spots and played him perfectly. Dan is apparently dumb as a box of rocks and gullible to boot.

I loved the Non-Judgmental Breakfast Club! They are awesome -- 'cause "with friends like these, who needs armies?" I love the vibe that they'll protect each other even when they're not getting along.

"Don't you all hate each other?"
"Yes."
"No."
"Absolutely."

And, of course..."Let's take down the bitch."
Bunnicula
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"Don't you all hate each other?"
"Yes."
"Absolutely."
<br>The best is that I believe Chuck replies "No" after Blair and Nate reply. Add that to his "I'm Chuck Bass" when they're all listing their sins and he wins with the lines of the night but then the only one who ever gives him a run for his money in that regard is Blair.

I was so hoping that they would have Nate, Chuck, Blair, Serena and Lily show up at the concert in time to confront Georgina in front of Vanessa and Dan (with Lily being the one to give her the full smackdown) because that would have been so awesome but I'm also enjoying how easily G is playing Dan so it will also be fun to see it play out after they've hooked up. Knowing how Dan holds everyone to such high standards, I don't believe he's going to be too pleased about getting intimate with such a horrible person. I wonder if it will be enough to make him think he has to distance himself from that whole world again.

Also, I'm a total sucker for Lily and Rufus so I loved their scene together. Someone mentioned it on TWoP and I agree that it would almost be worth it to have Dan and Serena permanently broken up if it would give Lily and Rufus a chance to be together, but I think for the overall story it still works better to have her go through with the Bass wedding.
no no no
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Dan--gah. I'm so disappointed in him. I had really grown to like him. Then some girl he's known for all of two weeks feeds him a few lines and he's kissing her.

I like Dan, but the fallout from this should be good. He has it coming with his constant sense of superiority. Even his own dad called him Mr. Judgmental! He'd better watch out. I wouldn't put it past Georgina to intentionally get herself pregnant just to mess with Serena some more.
badgered
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I like Dan, but the fallout from this should be good. He has it coming with his constant sense of superiority. Even his own dad called him Mr. Judgmental! He'd better watch out. I wouldn't put it past Georgina to intentionally get herself pregnant just to mess with Serena some more.
<br>That would be insane. Thus, I wouldn't put it past Georgina. The girl seems determined to destroy Serena no matter how it happens.

And I am very much looking forward to the look on Dan's face when he finds out what a crazy-ass bitch Georgina is. You just know it won't sit well with him, because he sees himself as this great moral compass for everyone on the Upper East Side (or at least Serena anyway), but he was taken in by some lunatic who he trusted over his girlfriend.

Forgot to mention how awesome Blair is. It took her all night to find Serena, yet she looked amazing in the morning. She didn't care if she made a scene in front of Lily because she knew how important it was for her to talk to Serena. She called Nate and Chuck for help even though she hasn't been speaking to either, because she knew they would understand. And she looked completely hot at the rehearsal.
Flava Flav
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Dan--gah. I'm so disappointed in him. I had really grown to like him. Then some girl he's known for all of two weeks feeds him a few lines and he's kissing her.
<br>I still love Dan, but GOD was he an idiot. The story Georgina fed him was so ridiculous and he fell for it!

I was hoping for a big confrontation at the concert as well but the scene in the preview for next week, with Serena, Dan and Georgina in his apartment looks awesome, so it might be worth the wait.
dd86
Yeah, Dan was an idiot, but also, he's extremely frustrated, and I don't blame him. Serena would be very hard to deal with, and she's such a closed, frightened book. Dan's going to regret all this, though.

I thought the first few episodes back from the strike were just unreal good, and the show is no longer just guilty pleasure for me. I was thinking it'd be a show that I could watch, unwind, and enjoy. Nope, this show is awesome in every way.

Despite my love for the first few, I didn't love Monday's episode, if only because it was so rushed. I thought Serena's arc from "I killed someone!" to "Oh, okay" was believable, but it was so condensed. I'm sure it's strike-related, but still, I couldn't really go through the emotions with her because it happened so quickly.

I did love the non-judgmental Breakfast Club, and I think that Chuck and Blair are going to do some absolutely nasty stuff next week to get G. And God, I cannot wait.

This show is so awesome.

ETA that I was rereading the only post I've made in this thread, a post where I said Chuck wouldn't thrive in a weekly television series because he was too much of a caricature. Nevermind. While he'll never be able to shake the whole "attempted rapist" sort of thing, he's far more human than I could have imagined. It's like he's wholly evil, yet he can still be partially good underneath. Plus, the actor is outstanding. I just watched an interview he did with Ausiello, and he still manages to convey this sense of "I'm going to screw your life up" in real life. He's a badass, basically.
salty dog
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hey, I was just there the other day examining the "new" Sweet Valley High books. Perfect size fours indeed
<br>Oh, hell. Fifteen years ago those Sweet Valley bitches were perfect size sixes.

So I'm always forgetting to DVR this show, and I usually wind up catching with three or four episodes at a time via iTunes. But I managed to watch last night's episode live last night, and eh, I wasn't crazy about it. The Georgina takedown was disappointing and rather rushed, and while I don't really like Dan and Serena together, Dan's line about being the world's most understanding guy was smack-worthy (especially since Rufus told him just a scant episode ago that he was actually kind of a judgmental prick, and Dan agreed). And I kind of got excited with the whole Jenny-getting-an-internship-at-Parsons storyline, because I thought they were getting ready to ship her off (okay, I know Parsons is in NYC, but still -- her story seems kind of played out to me), but considering how it ended, it looks like Jenny will be sticking around. Blah.
qb9b
But I'm really hoping that Blair's mom is going to take her down.

I also wondered why the Georgie plot was over at 8:15, I wish it had been a little longer.

They are doing a summer season, right?
badgered
The Georgina takedown was lame and rushed, but I figure it was a victim of the writer's strike.

Chuck/Blair--sigh. I seem to be one of the oh, maybe six people in fandom who is glad they didn't go to Tuscany together. I like Chuck as a sleazy womanizer, not as a Good Boyfriend to Blair. And I like when they plot and scheme together, but they can do that without dating. I liked the scene of Blair kicking him and twisting his hair better than the one of them dancing, because the kicking says more to me about who they really are.

Dan, you are not the most understanding guy in the world. You made Serena constantly feel bad for who she is and where she comes from.

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They are doing a summer season, right?
<br>They're not doing a summer season. I think the new season starts Sept. 1 with some summer episodes.
bsfc
I LOVED last night's finale! It did feel a bit rushed but I thought they hit all their major points and I'm so happy Schwartz&Savage included those final ten minutes and the jump. It was a shake up I can totally get behind and makes me even more curious to see what summer brings for these kids.

I realized as I was watching all the breakups that while I've been engaged by every single storyline this season, I'm not hugely invested in any of them (except maybe Serena and Blair as BFFs.) And that being the case, I'm still willing to go on whatever ride TPTB have planned; I don't have my own expectations for what I want from various characters and narratives.

I don't know if that's a sign of superficial storytelling or just the advantage of having a huge cast and keeping every relationship fluid throughout the season. Contrary to what the TWoP threads suggest, I think the show resisted setting up an OTP for the series in its first season which is unconventional and kind of awesome.

Specifically, I'm not sure Dan/Serena are the endgame as they draw the closest couple parallels to Ryan and Marissa who most definitely did not end up together.
I did like the reprise of a bittersweet final dance at a huge society wedding that we first saw in The O.C.'s S1 finale. (Although, I actually thought Penn Badgley sold those lines better than Ben McKenzie would've.)

And while Chuck and Blair's "banter" last night was very much in the vein of Seth and Summer if only because it was written by Josh and Stephanie and they too ended with complete abandonment and the prospect of a long summer trip between them, I'm not even a little bit convinced they're the S/S of GG.

I agree Georgina disappeared a little too quickly but I thought it was totally in line with Blair to just call her parents. I love that Blair, as a 17 year old, continues to default to the parents.

I'm kind of amused that even though Bart Bass has proven himself to be fairly awesome in the last few episodes, over at TWoP he's now the hateful villain who ruined Chuck/Blair.

I can't wait for the summer episodes and I hope Josh remains involved next season. Not a super iconic first season, but definitely a fun one!
qb9b
Booo -- I was hoping it was going to be like old 90210, when you had Beach Club episodes. I guess I heard summer episodes, Hampton and assumed they would show them in the summer -- but ratings and buzz-wise I get why new episodes don't show then.
badgered
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think the show resisted setting up an OTP for the series in its first season which is unconventional and kind of awesome.
<br>Yeah, I think on this show it would be fun to play around with all the pairings. For some shows it might not work, but it totally works for this show. I like that everyone ended the season single. Thinking about all the pairing possibilities is fun.

I can't wait for the Hamptons episodes in September. I think they wanted to do a summer season, but I don't know why they didn't -- maybe the writer's strike put the kibosh on it?
no no no
I'm tired of this show trying to make Vanessa look better. There was an article posted on TWoP where Josh Schwartz admitted that they were trying to get more of the audience to like her. This tactic isn't the way to go. It's OK for her to blackmail and steal from others, but if they do it to her she's a mistreated victim?
Bunnicula
Plus, in this last episode, it was she and Jenny battling each other and I don't care for either of them, so it didn't make either one more sympathetic to me. It was just two characters I don't like making each other miserable for once instead of making everyone else miserable, so it was a welcome break. Although I probably do find Vanessa more tolerable than Jenny overall, I think that's more because they've made Jenny's character cringeworthy this season (and I didn't think she could get worse than her Queen Bee phase) than because they've improved Vanessa's.
qb9b
I feel like this is getting more and more a copy of the O.C. Dead mogul, aborted baby with first love, etc. I loved the O.C. and there are things I love about GG, but I feel like they really need to get some original material.
no no no
qb9b, I read that the show is looking to cast someone to play Lily and Rufus' son, so maybe Rufus' "Was it a boy or a girl?"was referring to the birth rather than an abortion. I hope that's what ends up happening.
badgered
QUOTE (no no no+Dec 4 2008, 08:10 PM)
I'm tired of this show trying to make Vanessa look better.
Yeah, they can't make me like Vanessa no matter how hard they try.

In fact, this last episode was just great partly because she wasn't involved. But how over-the-top are the storylines getting? Eleanor and Cyrus are planning their wedding at Bart's funeral, and nobody's all, "It's inappropriate to be planning a freaking wedding at a funeral," instead Jenny's all, "I could make you a jacket!" And Lily is happy that her teenage daughter is jetting off to Buenos Aires with Aaron for Christmas? And now it's possible that Lily and Rufus have a child out there! Someone who is related to both Dan and Serena to make them just a wee bit more creeped out at the prospect of dating each other. Only Gossip Girl could pull off so many crazy storylines in ONE EPISODE.

Now, that said, the wedding was so beautiful. Blair's dress was gorgeous. I love Cyrus. His hug with Blair ("Not enough", aw), and telling her how to eat her bagel.

Ed Westwick's acting...oh, Lord. They love him over at TWoP, think he's destined for an Emmy. But I just kept giggling because of his weird posture, his weird low voice and his melodramatic line readings.

no no no
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Ed Westwick's acting...oh, Lord. They love him over at TWoP, think he's destined for an Emmy. But I just kept giggling because of his weird posture, his weird low voice and his melodramatic line readings.
Someone at TWoP said his acting was straight out of Twilight. Now I actually enjoyed that movie, but that post was very accurate.

It's weird that Aaron is Cyrus' son, yet he hasn't had any major scenes with Blair.
GoodLuckWithThat
Blair probably finds him more boring than Dan and not even worth her time.
Little Bear
QUOTE (GoodLuckWithThat+Dec 10 2008, 12:55 PM)
Blair probably finds him more boring than Dan and not even worth her time.
Smarter than her own writers, that one.
GoodLuckWithThat
I was reading Jacob's recaplet and now I'm curious if I misunderstood the scene.
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Everybody runs around trying to find out the big old Lily secret, and CeCe lies and says she'll pay off greaseball PI guy, but then doesn't, so it goes to the highest bidder: Chuck Bass. The reason for that is that she wants Lily to come clean so that she can make a fresh start... Even more surprisingly, she visits Rufus to tell him she wants her daughter to make a life with him, and can't do that until he knows the secret.
I thought CeCe told Rufus on purpose so they wouldn't be together because she knew he'd hate Lily for it. I am convinced she's that conniving.
qb9b
I agree, GoodLuckWithThat, she seemed nicer in the summer episode, but in this one her personality was shown to be very cold and not caring what her daughter wanted and i took it the same way.
badgered
I took Cece's personality as she wanted what was best for her daughter. Lily was being pretty petulant and childish -- "Pay to have my problems go away, Mother" -- like she wanted everything to be nice and easy and neat for herself so she could go flouncing off to Cornwall with Rufus. Cece's motivations in going to Rufus may have been muddled and meddlesome (the move did seem Emily Gilmore-esque), but I think it's a good thing that she did. At least the truth is out now.
qb9b
I think I'm over reading everything -- because i though Lily's take care of it mother, and why do you care now, mother, were more saying that Cece has forced her to go away the first time and she should take care of it now.
Rae0618
I hated Chuck and Blair's acting this week, I too though it was very Twilight and I've only heard about the movie. However the end made up for all the bad acting. Chuck on the bed all red eyed made me lose it and I started crying. But I'm an easy mark.

The show frustrates me sometimes with the acting. Some of Blair's scenes have been really bad that it takes me out of the show. And it's the same with Chuck's acting, I just wish they were more consistant because TWOP people think the suns rises out of their asses.

I don't know how I feel about Lily and Rufus. I want them together, but I also want Serena with Dan. I keep trying to justify that it isn't gross and possible for both couples to be together. I just want Aaron gone, he's my Vanessa.
Bunnicula
I thought Ed Westwick's acting was wooden and took away from the moment when he broke down in Blair's room rather than being Emmy-worthy, but I'm fine with that because it's a soapy teen drama so I don't expect world class acting. Also, I don't mind when there are similarities between this show and The O.C. I don't personally see as many of them as others do, but in the end both shows fall into the same genre that's prone to cliches so I'd expect to see some recurring plots and storylines.

And with Lily/CeCe, I thought Lily's expectation that CeCe would pay off the investigator had more of a "Well, you created this whole problem with the lies and secrecy in the first place, so now that it's rearing its head you need to deal with it" feel to it than just being about Lily wanting CeCe to handle all of her problems and make things perfect for her and Rufus. I agree that Lily was being petulant in those scenes, but I can't blame her for assuming CeCe was going to take care of this after dealing with what's probably been a lifetime of meddling from her.
dd86
The episode did feel like a bit of a let-down, particularly since I've been so high on the show lately. I feel like it's been doing some really awesome things, and this felt too inevitable. It may be, like previously mentioned, that they tried to do too much too soon, but it just also feels like they built the big Lily reveal up so high when there was only one way they could take it, and it was a very predictable route. I didn't get the impression that it was an abortion. It seemed pretty clear it was a long-lost kid. Here's to hoping it's handled better than the 90210 one.

Still, I love the show, and I think it's really fun, keeping a better pace and higher tension than The O.C. at this point in its second season. I think it's because the show has mostly resisted bringing in too many outside cast members. At the very least, those on the outside haven't overwhelmed the main cast. And they haven't screwed with the dynamics too much. Which is good since there's enough friction between the main characters to sustain a few good seasons.
qb9b
Bunnicula, you said what I was trying to say about the Lily/Cece thing, that I was not able to articulate.
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