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Mike-El
I don't even watch this show!
woodstove
I do!

We had several really good posts on the other site about this show. Maybe we should bring them over here. ??

At the very least, the "what to do about" Izzie discussion was comprehensive.
pinruT
I have started watching this show. My initial impression of Sex and The City set in a hospital has subsided a little since the last couple of episodes have focused more on actual doctoring than the mating habits of said doctors.

I am still expecting the whole bunch to be shut down by lawyers for the various cases of malpractice. The shaky handed heart surgery seemed way over the top. Are we supposed to think this is a noble act? I'm curious to see where they go with this and the Izzy fallout.

I'd be happy if Meredith died an Old Maid and never had sex again. I realize the show is centered on her, but it was nice to see McDreamy leave her standing alone in the elevator contemplating why the universe didn't actually revolve around her.
Juxtaposeur
QUOTE (woodstove+Oct 24 2006, 01:14 PM)
I do!

We had several really good posts on the other site about this show.  Maybe we should bring them over here.  ??

At the very least, the "what to do about" Izzie discussion was comprehensive.

What to do about Izzie? Put her on a diet! Fat, ugly, judgmental bitch!

cassandra
What's with all the marriage proposals? Where is Shonda going with this? I'm annoyed with her for being so predictable. Those two relationships -- Cristina/Burke and George/Callie -- have so many problems that a ring can't solve.

But it had its high points. Patrick Dempsey's little speech to Ellen Pompeo-- "I'll be here. Even if you yell, even if I yell, you can expect to see me."
Dutch Tilt
They're waiting to see which way the wind blows over faggotgate, so Burke might not be around anyhow.

I love Sandra Oh.
siebal
I'm betting Cristina says yes to Burke and Callie says no to George.

I loved Cristina's speech to Burke at the end right before he proposed. And I love Addison and Callie together; would love to see more of that.
WildHoney
Why does everyone hate Callie? I understand why Izzie doesn't like her, Callie is "stealing" her best friend. But I thought it was really weird that Olivia said something like "we think Callie is toxic too." Is she just overall disliked through out the hospital?
cassandra
I know I dislike her. I guess she has some really rough edges and she seems pretty quick to anger. Remember when she threw Meredith up against the wall? And she snapped someone's arm into their shoulder socket? And she always seems to be mad at something or somebody and was willing to live underneath the hospital. But mostly I blame Sarah Ramirez. I think Callie was probably written a lot more interestingly than she's being acted. Ramirez plays her like a cipher, while I think Callie is probably, in the script, supposed to come across a bit more aggressively. Just my theory.
fernbeau
I actually like Callie, but even after suffering through eleventy billion years of ER, I still don't have the hospital pecking order straight. George, Mere, Izzy, Christina and Alex are interns, yes? Bailey is their boss (as a resident? Callie's a resident too, right)? McDreamy, McSteamy, Burke and Addison are Bailey's bosses? I'm so confused, and also afraid to ask. Or is everyone just a peon to the Chief?

Or does it really matter? Am I overthinking this?
Carol
As I understand it...

An INTERN is in their first year out of medical school, and can only practice in a hospital.

A RESIDENT is doing training in their specialty, from their 2nd year out of medical school. I think the length of this varies depending on specialty. Dr. Bailey would be in her final year, as she was talking about a FELLOWSHIP, which is more years of training in your specialty, (I think?)

An ATTENDING has completed all training, and can practice medicine on his/her own.

The CHIEF oversees the department, I guess.

I have no idea if Callie is a resident or an attending... I'd thought she was an attending for some reason!

I don't know the timeline on this show, as we're in our 3rd season, Dr. Bailey's had a baby, and they're all still interns.
floundering
QUOTE (Carol+)
I don't know the timeline on this show, as we're in our 3rd season, Dr. Bailey's had a baby, and they're all still interns.

Heh. Not to mention the absurdity of opening a "free clinic" in less than two weeks that apparently consists of one big, open ward. And having it staffed solely by surgical interns.

Also, I believe attending physicans generally have their own practices and have been granted hospital privileges at various local facilities. They don't spend all day at the freakin' hospital, nor does the hospital hire them directly. In teaching hospitals, the attendings are usually faculty members who also teach at the associated medical school.

But then, this is one of those shows that I only watch under spousal control of the remote, so my main enjoyment is poking holes in the plots.
dottstar
Large teaching hospitals do have their own attendings since they have their own clinics. I don't get the idea that Seattle Grace is a big teaching hospital with a university attached. But both in TX and here I have worked in 1000+ bed hospitals that did indeed have their own attendings that practiced in the clinics owned by the medical facility. So I can sort of buy they might have their own attendings even if we never see them in their clinics.
Don't understand why after this many seasons the Residents are just now moving on and there doesn't appear to be any indication that the interns are ever moving forward.
pinruT
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But then, this is one of those shows that I only watch under spousal control of the remote, so my main enjoyment is poking holes in the plots.
I am watching this show as punishment for the football games my wife had to endure. I have a hard time finding anyone on this show to like and find it hard to believe that a group of adults in the medical profession (or any work place for that matter) would be as emotionally immature as this bunch. I realize its a drama, but the lack of a single doctor, except maybe Callie, who doesn't fall into a puddle of tears at the slightest trauma is way over the top for me.

The past three episodes have drug out the life hanging in the balance for the show's title character. I hoped against hope that she would actually die and the rest of the characters would commit hari-kari over her cold fish-like body.
WildHoney
Would they have changed the name of the show to "Anatomy"? Or maybe imported her half-sister (she's in medical school right?), have her do her internship at Seattle Grace.

They replayed the last year's superbowl episodes last Friday. Where Meredith's life was in danger, and she almost died. It makes me wonder what they could possibly do to her next year. And since they like to follow the same patterns, which of the doctor's/intern's signifcant others they plan on killing off for the season finale. Callie perhaps? Bring harmony back to the universe? (I hope not, I like what she's done for George.) Maybe Mark, once Addison really falls in love with him. Or if IW messes up again, it could be Burke.
floundering
QUOTE (pinruT+)
The past three episodes have drug out the life hanging in the balance for the show's title character.  I hoped against hope that she would actually die and the rest of the characters would commit hari-kari over her cold fish-like body.

I know! It used to be that audiences knew damn well that primary characters--no matter what dire illness or accident befell them--would never die, but recently shows have gotten a lot more cavalier and I got my hopes up.
savannah
But this is Sex and the City set in the hospital (with a little soap opera melodrama on the side), and nothing's going to happen to GA's whinier, more irritating version of Carrie Bradshaw.
roseland
Ohmigod, how excruciating was that episode? I'm supposed to be sympathetic towards Meredith because of why? She's suicidal because her mother called her "ordinary." How pathetic. I actually teared up more when Izzie/Denny had their moment.

Also? Not enough Kyle Chandler.
dottstar
Oh, crap, Meridith lived! Well rats, I'd great hopes she was a goner when I caught her afterlife chat bit. I guess this show is still going strong though isn't it? And I bet she didn't suffer one iota of anoxic brain damage either. I just never got into her character or any of them really on top of the dumbness of their internships with no rotations and residents acting like attendings the show just makes me change the channel.
WildHoney
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Ohmigod, how excruciating was that episode?
<br>I really didn't mind the episode, it wasn't nearly as good as this show has been in the past. The thing that annoyed me was that it felt like there was a commercial every three minutes. Plus it was a little too Ghost Whisperer for me... spirits roaming the hospital hallways and jumping back into bodies.
savannah
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Also? Not enough Kyle Chandler.
<br>I actually felt bad for Kyle Chandler. I wondered if he and the other actors in that crapass, soap operaish "Meh's limbo" felt repulsed spouting that godawful dialogue under the oh-so-dramatic lighting and directing of those scenes. The show is beyond camp now.
gilbertblythe
I lost interest in this show this season but I will definitely be tuning in for the Addison spin off. I've never really cared for the Addison character but if Tim Daly is involved I am sure as hell going to watch. An added bonus is Paul Adelstein (Prison Break) will be appearing as well. He was originally hired to play the character of Burke but had to drop out due to scheduling conflicts. Isaiah Washington was not the first choice for the role.
rememberthename
If Paul Alderstein is in it then I will definetly be watching. (But does that mean he wont be on Prison Break? uh oh)

Izzie and George!? Did they actually have sex? I would guess they did since they are naked in bed together but ew. I did see a tiny bit of chemistry between them while they were drunk but still he is married. Whats with Greys Anatomy and adultrous sex? I also didnt like it when Meredith and Derek had prom sex while he was still married. I cant wait to see the fallout of Izzie and George having sex (if they did).

They are making Meredith alot more likeable, at least to me. I'm glad she started being nice to her step mom and her hair was really pretty smile.gif
roseland
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Whats with Greys Anatomy and adultrous sex?
Yeah, Shonda doesn't seem to think marriage vows should get in the way of desperate sex.
savannah
Shonda also thinks that the workplace should not get in the way of sexual shenanigans. I stopped watching last week's episode after the ass grab. It was so completely unrealistic (even for a show that gave us hospital proms and residents living in basements). Did any character ever address the inappropriateness of the conduct? Probably not, since the whole show is built around the dreams of a plaintiff's lawyer specializing in sexual harassment suits.
NineEightCentral
I just...I just don't understand this show. I try to understand why Shonda does things the way she does them and I keep trying to hope that she has some master plan, but it's becoming more and more clear to me that she's a one trick pony.

What inappropriate woman can George have sex with next season? Addison? Bailey? Come on. At least the Meredith thing made some sort of sense, as awful as it was. George/Izzie was just dumb.
copssister
Well said, NineEightCentral. Stop by the Greetings and Salutations thread and introduce yourself.

I get Shonda's message that there are aspects to each character that we love/hate as the episodes roll out. However, since the only character I've enjoyed unconditionally since the beginning is Joe, the pub owner, it's not looking good for my long-term interest in the show.
savannah
As mentioned earlier, I tuned out of last week's episode after the ridiculous ass grab (as if someone vying for a position of chief of staff would approach a former student and grab her ass in front of a dozen others, including competitors for the job)). I wanted to see LTG's reaction to the inappropriate ass grab, so I read his recap and I loved his conclusion. (And while THe Izzy/George sex is also ridiculous and soapy, at least it comes from a more organic place than that ass grab).

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So, could we just send everybody on this show to Shortbus so they can spend a couple of days having inappropriate sex and then come back and quit it? Because the constant inappropriate sexual and romantic connections and misconnections and the triangles (and every other polygon you can imagine) are ruining this show. I used to love this show because I'd watch these screwed up people muddle through their lives as best they could and at some point in every episode I'd look at a character and think, "That's me. That's my damage, and that's how I can deal with it or choose not to deal with it." But this constant bed-hopping is not me or anyone I know or anyone I want to know. And I don't know if this was Shonda's plan all along (in which case she's not the writer I thought she was) or if she's caught up in trying to please the small but freakishly obsessive group of fans who care about nothing other than shipping this pair or that pair or some other pairing I haven't imagined yet (in which case all I can say is that she will never make them happy and in trying to do so she'll drive away any viewer with half a brain). It's not too late to turn the show around. There are some great writers on staff, and more than a few terrific actors. But this show is not going to get its groove back unless and until Shonda realizes that there are ways to show us character development that don't involve people falling in or out of bed. Okay, rant over.
<br>Thank you, LTG. But, you know, perhaps cutting back on the shipper threads that are started at TWOP everytime one character talks to another one would help in the war against shipper-driven storylines.
two shoes
Futon Critic has a show description (see the right hand sidebar) for the proposed spin off, apparently from an ABC press release. Slightly different than the spoilers from Ausiello and Kristen, but still pretty interesting. The only reason I'm watching GA at all at this point is in anticipation for the spin-off. I love Addison, Joe Hackett and Agent Kellerman.
mtanner
QUOTE (savannah+Mar 23 2007, 06:07 PM)
As mentioned earlier, I tuned out of last week's episode after the ridiculous ass grab (as if someone vying for a position of chief of staff would approach a former student and grab her ass in front of a dozen others, including competitors for the job)).  I wanted to see LTG's reaction to the inappropriate ass grab, so I read his recap and I loved his conclusion.  (And while THe Izzy/George sex is also ridiculous and soapy, at least it comes from a more organic place than that ass grab).

QUOTE
So, could we just send everybody on this show to Shortbus so they can spend a couple of days having inappropriate sex and then come back and quit it? Because the constant inappropriate sexual and romantic connections and misconnections and the triangles (and every other polygon you can imagine) are ruining this show. I used to love this show because I'd watch these screwed up people muddle through their lives as best they could and at some point in every episode I'd look at a character and think, "That's me. That's my damage, and that's how I can deal with it or choose not to deal with it." But this constant bed-hopping is not me or anyone I know or anyone I want to know. And I don't know if this was Shonda's plan all along (in which case she's not the writer I thought she was) or if she's caught up in trying to please the small but freakishly obsessive group of fans who care about nothing other than shipping this pair or that pair or some other pairing I haven't imagined yet (in which case all I can say is that she will never make them happy and in trying to do so she'll drive away any viewer with half a brain). It's not too late to turn the show around. There are some great writers on staff, and more than a few terrific actors. But this show is not going to get its groove back unless and until Shonda realizes that there are ways to show us character development that don't involve people falling in or out of bed. Okay, rant over.
<br>Thank you, LTG. But, you know, perhaps cutting back on the shipper threads that are started at TWOP everytime one character talks to another one would help in the war against shipper-driven storylines.
This is true. I certainly get put off too by the overreaction to couples - very common in that forum. Addison/Alex probably the most because that was everywhere. The reaction to G/I is largely negative so that doesn't bother me as much. It's definitely a problem with the show - this coupling business. I don't really have that much respect for Shonda to turn things around because one listen to her podcasts and you can see what a giggly, drooling fangirl she is (she referred to the reappearance of Dylan and Denny as her 'manwich' - gag).

I do miss the low-key quirk of S1. It's the actors that are the draw for me now.

Oh, I'm quite looking forward to the spin-off too. Especially for Merrin Dungey.
floundering
Entertainment Weekly has a sidebar article this week called "Taking Sides on Izzie. There are a few sentences for the prosecution and then for the defense, with the ultimate verdict: "The Stevens brand of clumsy, oversize passion is never easy to deal with, but even in her ugliest moments, you gotta admit the girl keeps things interesting--and the exquisite acting of Katherine Heigl just makes adoration that much easier. (That awkward "I believe" speech would have killed lesser women.) Forget the crabby lady with the voiceover: It's Izzie's heart that keeps Anatomy beating."

I hope the knee-knockers choke on it.
WildHoney
I haven't liked an episode this much since season two. And I don't remember crying this much at the end of an episode since season one. It was all just so sad. Cristina being excited (in her own weird Cristina way) about trying on wedding dresses, with her mother no less and looks like Burke is having doubts? I was spoiled about Meredith's fake mom maybe dying, but it made it no less sad. Especially watching how it set her so far back with her dad and Derek at the same time. That one scene was so well done...I like that they didn't show the doctors calling time of death. All of the "deaths" happened in that one moment.

And I loved that strong super heroine edit for Addison at the end, even though she'd been the hysterical one the entire episode. And I like how the elevator god turned out because before that, I was thinking the concept was stupid enough to make me not watch an otherwise enjoyable spin-off.

I know this sounds like a run-on gushing fan post, but I'm so excited to have such a solid episode after a pretty subpar season. I just wanted to get it all out before I go to twop and find out how Izzie/KH managed to dominate and ruin the entire thing.
another_iteration
What a great foundation for a spin-off. I'll tune in. Others in my family were annoyed that I called fakemom's death - and I was pretty spoiler free. I'm still in shock that Thatcher slapped Meredith.

Who knows where the hell this show goes from here - and I mean that in a good way I think. Izzie/George/Callie, Mer/Der, Burke/Cristina hmmmm? Two more episodes and I'll stay away from the spoilers.
NatalieX
I hated it. I hated being forced to watch the pilot for a spin-off because it was blended with the show I did want to watch. They should have separated Addison's show to the last hour.
I think they did that because they know she doesn't have the fan base to sustain it and that most people would have tuned out after the original Grey's.

I won't be tuning in for the spin-off. I like the character of Addison, but the dialogue and situations of that show were excruciatingly contrived. Such a shame considering what a good cast it had.
roseland
I'm with you, NatalieX. I was so disappointed that they blended the shows. It ruined the flow of the storylines. I'm not sure I would have liked the Addison pilot any better but it didn't help that switching back and forth was just so jarring. I don't think I'll be watching the spin-off, either. It looks like it's being set up to be the same sort of show that Grey's Anatomy is except with different characters in a different state. A couple yearns for each other but won't get together. Sexual shenanigans between co-workers. Judgmental tirades directed at patients. Blech.
copssister
QUOTE (NatalieX+May 4 2007, 01:03 PM)
I won't be tuning in for the spin-off. I like the character of Addison, but the dialogue and situations of that show were excruciatingly contrived.  Such a shame considering what a good cast it had.

well said, NatalieX. I was also disappointed with the characters' lines. Such a shame for the actors involved.

Side note: I never realized Taye Diggs is such a diminutive man.
mtanner
I really, really disliked it. The GA content isn't really worth talking about because there was so little there, but the Addison stuff - so cheesy. And, yes, GA is inherently quite cheesy but that was pushing it (talking elevator, 'I'm going to kiss you WITH TONGUE!', Piz and the surfboard with drooling grown women! WTF was that?). I also think for this episode they probably should have stuck mostly to the Addison content because it was absurd to jump from George/Izzie into these new people shopping at the store or picking up their car, etc. Just jarring. And boring. So boring.

I'm not really an Addison fan, and Kate Walsh was veering on this side of a ham sandwich for that episode, so I can't say I'll be tuning in. I can't say I really warmed to any of the other characters, either.
dzdzsty
I wanted to like it, and I certainly prefer seeing Addison be the one who might get the guy, rather than be crapped upon repeatedly, but I did think it was a bit much. Too many characters, with too many quirks.

That said, I kindof hate all the characters on Grey's except for Addison these days, and I'll watch Taye Diggs in just about anything, so I suppose I'll be watching the spinoff no matter what.
The rural juror
The best part about the spinoff was the cast. It's like a dream team of some of our favorite actors. The worst part was the writing. It's like Ocean 12.

Grey's Anatomy was a show that i really liked. Then the doctors started sleeping with everybody and acting in such unbelievably unprofessional way that the show lost all credibility. It moving rapidly towards Melrose Place levels.

Bailey is probably the only character left that's acting like a real doctor so i fear that the writers will take care of that next.
fofanna1
I'm going to watch the season finale but I doubt I'll watch next year. The show started as half medical drama, half soap opera and, with the last episode, it tipped over into full soap operadom. The medical parts were just ludicrous and if any of that goes on in real teaching hospitals, we're all in trouble.
fofanna1
This could get interesting -
Washington Fired From Grey's Anatomy
kayla
Heh - Does seem a wee bit surprising only in the sense that it took them so long...
The rural juror
So any thoughts from the season premiere? All i could think of was:"Were the dialogs always that bad?".

My problem is that once i watched a show for an entire season, it's very difficult to break it off when it goes down the drain. There's always this irrational hope that it will get better. The only time i actually stopped watching a show that i had been following for years was Crossing Jordan who reached such levels of suck that even i couldn't take it anymore.

Right now, there are only two things that are keeping me watching GA. The first one is my PVR that allows me to fast forward through all the bad parts. The second one is my crush on Chyler Leigh. Heck, i watched that piece of dreck Reunion just because she was in it.
NatalieX
Just when I think Bailey couldn't be any more cool, she busts out some in-depth knowledge of the Skywalker-Solo family tree. Awesome.

And I'm sure the Derek and Meredith closing scene was very moving, but I was distracted by the truly horrible cheap special effects.
bsfc
Izzie/Alex!

I was done with the show after S2 and the Denny debacle but hung in there for the first few episodes of S3 until they kissed and Izzie turned him down. Again. I stopped watching and missed the 47th round of MerDer, the end of Addison, Mare Winningham and thankfully, George/Izzie.

Caught word through the recaps that they'd begun to revisit Alex/Izzie right before the strike and started watching again. They were awesome tonight! Loved getting more of Alex's background, loved Izzie acting like a grown-up and I loved all their interaction tonight playing out in parallel to the last few episodes of S2 but with a much better conclusion. Broken Alex near broke my heart at the end.

Everything else was pretty entertaining too. All the kids got to me- brain tumor couple with cement boy and FNL's Noelle were a nice contrast and well acted by all.

I'm sure it'll all be fucked up again next season but...awesome finale.
pokey55
I have to agree; I don't know exactly how or why it happened but I feel like this show started to get back on track with these last few episodes. Of course, given the track record even as I was watching and enjoying I was thinking about how this could all be fucked up next year. I'm just not ready to trust Shonda won't find a way to have everyone regress again.

I was especially glad to find out what Alex's whole deal is. It broke my heart to hear him say that when he was taking care of his mom he was just a kid but now that he's a man, he'd be better at it. I just thought that whole story (and the parts at the end with Izzie) were just fabulously written and acted.
roseland
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And I'm sure the Derek and Meredith closing scene was very moving, but I was distracted by the truly horrible cheap special effects.
I was distracted by how bad Ellen Pompeo's acting was.
superior olive
QUOTE (roseland+May 23 2008, 11:22 AM)
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And I'm sure the Derek and Meredith closing scene was very moving, but I was distracted by the truly horrible cheap special effects.
I was distracted by how bad Ellen Pompeo's acting was. Yeesh, no kidding. I wasn't that thrilled with her revelation when she (again! manners, Meredith) barged into her shrinks office. That was just a touch off for me, a little too flat, but not by much. I think Ellen Pompeo does much better when she has someone to play off of, rather than the melodramatic scenes all by her lonesome. She seems awkward with it.

Oh, and there were special effects in the last scene? What were they? (shows how I was paying attention!)
The rural juror
I feel bad for Kevin McKidd. He's a good actor stuck in a mediocre show. I miss Rome. **Sigh**

roseland
None of these characters are even likable anymore. I hate the way they play the fact that Izzie, Christina, Alec and Meredith never teach their interns even the most basic skills as comedy. It drives me crazy. Unless they finally have an episode where this lack of teaching has dire consequences, I'm pretty sure this will be my last season of this show. It was never close to reality but now it's to the point where I can't even enjoy it, it's so ridiculous. The only reason I'm giving it to the end of the season is because I like the new guy and his relationship with Christina.
The rural juror
I could see a spinoff with a law firm that handles all the malpractice suits against Seattle Grace. Synergy!
The rural juror
Just when you think that a show couln't get any more ridiculous, they add sex with a ghost. I guess it was a logical progression since the characters already had sex with everybody so they proceeded to do it with the dead.

The Sloan/Lexie pairing doesn't bug me because of the age difference but rather because that scene was so badly written. Seeing Lexie stripping off her clothes while constantly repeating "teach me" was just wrong on so many levels.
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