Jacob Network Executive
Yesterday @ 9:37 pm Email ˇ Report ˇ Post #2033
For the record, several of us on staff are huge fans of the show but TWoP will almost certainly not be bringing the show onboard. The traffic and interest just aren't there. I mean, if Nip/Tuck and Rescue Me aren't pulling the numbers... <br>Apparently the show has really built up an audience since its October debut:
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Yesterday @ 9:37 pm Email ˇ Report ˇ Post #2033
For the record, several of us on staff are huge fans of the show but TWoP will almost certainly not be bringing the show onboard. The traffic and interest just aren't there. I mean, if Nip/Tuck and Rescue Me aren't pulling the numbers... <br>Apparently the show has really built up an audience since its October debut:
The series, starring Michael C. Hall as a charming blood-splatter expert for the Miami Police Department who moonlights as a serial killer, drew 1.1 million total viewers to its Season 1 finale from 10-11 p.m. Sunday. That figure represents a 79% increase from the show's debut episode at 10 p.m. Oct. 1, which averaged 603,000 viewers.
The episode now stands as Showtime's single-most-watched original series since 2004, when Nielsen Media Research began reporting Showtime ratings separate from Showtime Plex. It also ranks as the most-viewed program -- original or theatrical -- of the year for the network. <br>
DocHopper
20th December 2006 - 07:48 PM
Wow, it's nice to see those numbers. I knew there was a season 2 in the works all ready. But those are some good ratings, especially considering that as with HBO shows, I wasn't always all that concerned about watching Dexter the first time it aired on Sunday nights. I would DVR it and catch it later. Or catch a reshowing later in the week.
Downside to that, it is not a "I'll watch this while I eat dinner" show. Ick.
Michael C. Hall was fantastic in it, he really stretched as a performer. All of the acting was terrific. I was irked initially by Deb, his sister, because I took the character's awkwardness as an acting fault or quirk at first, but it was actually a terrific performance by the actress. Deb is an awkward person, and was incredibly relatable, which was a great hook, considering that the whole point of the Dexter character is that he should be some what Un-relatable.
Plus it was nice seeing some Oz alum.
Showtime's really come a long way with their original programming. I'm a Weeds fan, too. And damn it, I liked Huff. IMO Showtime's original series offerings are toe-to-toe with HBO in quality, but dont' take themselves quite so seriously.l
skittlebrau
14th July 2007 - 04:04 PM
We just got Showtime and after catching up with season 2 of Weeds and various new Penn&Tellers (we watched other seasons on DVD), I convinced the hubby that we should start watching Dexter, since all of season one is On Demand. I think we're up to episode 8 or 9 now.
I haven't read the books, but was it supposed to be fairly obvious (2-3 episodes out, before the "big reveal") that Rudy was the real Ice Truck Killer? Because we both felt for a while that it was "obvious" he was the one, so the reveal felt kind of anti-climatic. I like pretty much everything else about the show -- except the misuse of the voice overs sometimes (they use it when they don't need to, just like Battlestar and its 'duh' flashbacks that no one really needs.)
The rural juror
23rd October 2007 - 04:54 PM
So, is anyone watching season 2?
I'm loving it but it's also weird to see Dexter becoming more human and actually showing some emotions.
Joe Don Faker
28th November 2007 - 07:14 AM
Hey rural juror and Dexter fans.
Well we're neck-deep into the second season now, and things are heating up, huh?! It seems once again that in episode 8 (of 12) the third act kicks in, and what was carefully put into place begins to pay off dramatically, in big ways. This is when we get our plot on!
I have been loving it, and it's really the solitary show I've been watching with any interest. When the latest entry ended the other night, I had to flip away immediately to something bland and calming just to slow the old ticker. (Also I didn't want to get spoiled by any previews run over the credits.)
My source for reading/chatting about the show is over at The Onion's TV Club. Join us, won't you. (It's probably easy enough to tell which poster I am, as I've slathered my username copiously over the latest episode thread. My enthusiasm for this show needed an outlet, and I probably acted like a pale vacationer in the tropics, totally overdoing it on the first day.)
dd86
3rd December 2007 - 12:57 PM
A million dollars to anyone who can confidently and correctly predict where this season is going. Because I'm at a loss.
What a brilliant show. I don't even know if I can discuss anything. It's just...wow.
Calendae
3rd December 2007 - 06:53 PM
Okay, so my thought is that Lilah is a goner and unfortunately, so is Doakes. Lilah will somehow be responsible for Doakes's death and Dexter will kill her. And Doakes will still be thought of as the bay harbor butcher.
This is, of course, after Lilah blackmails Dexter into getting back together with her with her roofies scheme.
Joe Don Faker
3rd December 2007 - 07:53 PM
Ditto to the last two posts, dd86 and Calendae.
Just when I thought the show had hit its peak with episodes 8 and 9, out springs this gem. With Dexter's amplified bouts of conscience and confusion, it feels like a whole new ball game.
Predictions? I too had been suspecting that Lila might very well track down the cabin and torch it, killing Doakes and thus precipitating her own end at Dexter's hands. Next season La Guerta would become the new Doakes.
As pointed out on another board, another possibility is that Doakes will live but will be on the run as of the end of the season. So maybe it will only seem as if he'd been killed -- but then no body is recovered?
There seems to be more room for revelations regarding Harry's death. The old friend/police commissioner guy that Dexter confronted on the golf course could be hiding more twists to the story. And perhaps Doakes' reference to Harry's behavior was not about his alleged manner of death.
Doakes really showed me something last night. Between the New Edition haircut on his old phony ID, to his well-argued position ("now who's lyin'?") I gained new respect for his character and his point of view.
The rural juror
3rd December 2007 - 09:17 PM
For once Doakes stops being a one note character that reminds me of a pitbull and becomes more developped. It's too bad that he's not about to last very long. His scenes in the cage with Dexter were amazing.
EssPee
20th December 2007 - 02:54 PM
I was a latecomer to this show as well, but damn, it's good. I just caught the last two S2 episodes, and while I thought the penultimate episode kind of dragged -- way too much time spent on the possibility that Dexter was going to turn himself in, which was clearly never going to happen -- the final episode was terrific. Looks like Calendae pretty much called it, although by the end I thought Lila was going to remain a distant threat to Dexter. I didn't see him tracking her down coming at all, even though it looks predictable in retrospect.
Doakes was great in the final several episodes, as others have already said. But I was even more blown away by Michael C. Hall, who took Dexter into so many different directions this season that I could barely keep up with them -- but always in a realistic and believable manner. His final voiceover was one of the most ominous I can recall.
So now I just have to hope Showtime reruns S1 at some point, as for some reason the channel yanks all the earlier seasons from On Demand once a new one starts. (Same goes for Weeds, which I'm reluctant to get into until I can watch the previous seasons.) I know I could always go the Netflix/DVD route, but we've got so many things stacked up on the queue that I'm reluctant to throw TV shows into the mix.
Spike
30th December 2007 - 04:11 PM
I picked up the first season of Dexter at Target the day after Christmas for $20. It's sitting on the top of my already large to-watch pile of DVDs.
EssPee
30th December 2007 - 06:58 PM
QUOTE (Spike+Dec 30 2007, 04:03 PM) I picked up the first season of Dexter at Target the day after Christmas for $20. It's sitting on the top of my already large to-watch pile of DVDs. Can I borrow it when you're done? :-)
IggysPinkTights
20th January 2008 - 09:13 PM
Feb 17th CBS is going to begin airing the first season of Dexter. ehh...of course it will be edited and I love this show but I always thought that it being on Showtime that it could have been a bit more hardcore. Either way I love it I'm just wondering if Deb's character will be nonexistent since it is being edited considering every word out of her mouth is a naughty one. With the writers strike I wonder if this will be considered the norm.
EssPee
2nd March 2008 - 06:50 PM
We were late to the show and hadn't seen S1, so on Alan Sepinwall's advice, we've been watching the CBS-aired episodes. They're surprisingly good. Supposedly they ended up cutting out a lot of the secondary-character plots, like something I never understood with the lieutenant and her husband, which Sepinwall thought was all to the good. If it's been an issue in the first two episodes, I haven't noticed it -- they've been really interesting, and I find myself looking forward to Sunday nights so we can catch up after the boy goes to bed.
skittlebrau
2nd March 2008 - 07:29 PM
QUOTE (EssPee+Mar 2 2008, 09:42 PM) Supposedly they ended up cutting out a lot of the secondary-character plots, like something I never understood with the lieutenant and her husband, which Sepinwall thought was all to the good. Well, now I'm confused, because I thought the lieutenant with the marital problems wasn't introduced until season two. I haven't seen all of season two (it got boring) and it's been a while since I saw the first season, though.
EssPee
14th March 2008 - 03:25 PM
skittlebrau is right -- I'd conflated the two seasons while writing from memory. What Sepinwall wrote was:
| QUOTE | Dexter, as superbly played by Hall, is such a compelling character that attempts to beef up the supporting cast with their own subplots - Doakes' boss Lt. Laguerta (Lauren Velez) jockeying for promotion; Detective Batista (David Zayas) having trouble at home - just felt like a distraction.
"The good news is they didn't ask us to cut anything from the essence of Dexter's character," says Greenblatt. "We were able to cut little B stories. In the first season, Batista's having marital problems. It's still there, but there's half as much of it." <a href='http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2008/02/sepinwall_on_tv_dexter_on_cbs.html' target='_blank'>Here's the review, in case anyone's interested.
skittlebrau
14th March 2008 - 04:29 PM
Well, I thought Batista's thing was really great parallelism, though. He kept making these conversations about his wife, when really she'd kicked him out months before. It was a case of him living one life while at work that had nothing to do with the reality of his personal life.
EssPee
19th March 2008 - 05:58 AM
The did keep some of Angel's story in the network version -- in the most recent episode, Dexter dropped him at home after a night of drinking, only to learn from his wife that she'd booted him a while back. It's certainly true that they're not playing up the "double-life" parallel too much, though.
Joe Don Faker
13th October 2008 - 06:55 AM
To Harry's rules he'll no longer listen Dexter's back with a brand new intention Something grabs a hold of him nightly His nocturnal deeds are sorta unsightly
So he we are for Season 3.
Watched the first two episodes last night, and was kinda underwhelmed. Maybe it's the domestication of Dexter with Rita. Maybe the plastic wrapped dirty dealings have become a bit rote. Maybe I'm just too aware that Jimmy Smits is Jimmy Smits.
Probably my favorite moment was Deb saying to the internal affairs chick, "You're kind of a cunt."
The rural juror
13th October 2008 - 09:40 AM
Regarding the internal affairs girl; i'm always annoyed when characters act like complete assholes because the story requires them to be counter productive and antagonistic.
Debra manages to both entertain and annoy me. I like that she's direct and tenacious but she also grates when she misses an occasion to keep her mouth shut. I would have thought that she would have learned a little diplomacy by now.
Gatorbait
13th October 2008 - 09:56 AM
QUOTE (Joe Don Faker+Oct 13 2008, 07:55 AM) Watched the first two episodes last night, and was kinda underwhelmed. Maybe it's the domestication of Dexter with Rita. Maybe the plastic wrapped dirty dealings have become a bit rote. Maybe I'm just too aware that Jimmy Smits is Jimmy Smits. I was underwhelmed, too, and it ties back to the utterly ridiculously bad writing that ended the second season. They ended the second season, for me, with a glimmer of hope that LaGuerta would inadvertently set herself up as Dexter's next antagonist as she tries to prove Doakes' innocence after his death. Instead, we get a pregnant Rita and two completely irrelevant stories about a creepy ADA and this utterly random story about an IA officer tracking a new character. Why do we care at all about Quinn or the IA officer? No groundwork established either character as likeable or not, we just have this red herring thrown in. (As an aside: Is the IA officer a leprechaun? She just keeps randomly showing up to taunt Deb, but how does she know exactly where Deb is going to be at all hours of the day? Seriously, she's a cop not a genie. Have them meet at the station.) I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that these random strings will all tie together at some point, but I'm not optimistic. The writing has degraded so much from the first season and their decision to let the poor resolution to last season just stand makes me think that it should have just been a one-season mini-series rather than a recurring series.
Meglio
13th October 2008 - 12:20 PM
QUOTE (Gatorbait+Oct 13 2008, 06:56 PM) (As an aside: Is the IA officer a leprechaun? She just keeps randomly showing up to taunt Deb, but how does she know exactly where Deb is going to be at all hours of the day? Seriously, she's a cop not a genie. Have them meet at the station.) This annoyed me too, alongside that there seems to be a bit too much voiceover recenty. It used to be about the character's inner thoughts but now his little voice keeps popping up to identify Miguel Prado (in case we forgot who Jimmy Smits is) or note that the creepy bloke on the beach is also the creepy bloke from the supermarket. I also thought it was weird that Debra didn't get that the informant was singing a rude song about her. I don't even know any Spanish but something involving the words "puta" and "mala"is unlikely to be complimentary, and I only know that from watching the telly. Wouldn't a cop recognise stuff like that? Having said that, I enjoyed how she just shrugged it off.
Gatorbait
13th October 2008 - 01:00 PM
Not just a cop but a former vice cop born and raised in Miami where a plurality of the population has self-identified as Hispanic for about 20 years now.
Seriously puta, flaca (skinny), and mala are words Deb would have been hearing from the moment she graduated the academy, if not before.
dd86
3rd November 2008 - 01:15 PM
You know, I can understand the complaints people are having about the season, but I'm finding myself really wrapped up in the story this year. I do think that the show gambles when it shifts focus away from Dexter and puts it on the supporting cast, but I feel like they've elevated their game. In fact, I'm really enjoying Deb this season.
Mostly, though, I'm loving the Miguel/Dexter scenes, as Smits and Hall have unbelievable chemistry, and I'm always on edge when watching their scenes. I'm still not quite sure what Miguel's motive is, and so I'm definitely interested to see where they take him. I find him infinitely more fascinating than Lila, and I find him, as an individual, more fascinating than ITK.
Maybe I'm easy, but that's okay.
EssPee
8th November 2008 - 02:58 AM
I'm enjoying the season, although I'm also not taking it too seriously. Like most of the Showtime series I've watched, Dexter is both really ambitious and mysteriously flawed. I've never been particularly taken by the secondary-character subplots, and it's hard to escape the feeling that the producers really don't know what to do with Dexter, either. I figured he'd be exploring his new lack of limits thanks to his abandonment of Harry's code in this season, but instead he got wrapped up in the Prado/Freebo business, which is fascinating in a completely different way but also sort of wandering. Anyway, thought I'd share a couple of Dexter-related anecdotes. A few weeks ago I saw a San Francisco Muni bus downtown that had been plastered with a giant ad for Dexter. The ad was done in that red-and-black early Communist style, and featured a blow-up of Michael C. Hall's head juxtaposed with the slogan, "Power Saw to the People." I didn't stop chortling for about 20 seconds. Also, earlier this week, Alan Sepinwall asked his readers to vote for the best TV president, putting on the ballot Josiah Bartlet ( The West Wing), Laura Roslin ( BSG), David Palmer ( 24) and Mackenzie Allen ( Commander in Chief). Lots of fun discussion ensued, but my favorite comment came via a fellow going by the name Under Cover Asian Man: QUOTE I'm going to write-in a candidate instead. A family man who is exceptional with kids and thinks family first at all times. A man who is exceptionally cool under pressure and never, EVER gives in to his emotions. A career man who works overtime tirelessly every day for free because he believes in his causes with all his being. A quiet, thoughtful individual who has made a career of fighting crime and knows how to lock the most dangerous criminals away for good. Yes, my write in vote is for Dexter Morgan, the right leader for a tough time in America.
Joe Don Faker
10th November 2008 - 07:18 AM
Dexter producer stunned by news of Edmonton KillingFrom fark comments section: QUOTE (mookiedood+) In a nutshell --the guy is charged with luring a man to his garage via a personal ad where he posed as a woman looking for sex, and then allegedly attacked him while wearing a goalie mask, then taped him to a chair and hacked him up.... after stealing his ID, pin numbers, etc. And then for the next few weeks he posed as the dead guy and sent emails out saying all was well, and that he had run away with a woman to Jamaica.
The suspect is a budding film maker, and has made a very elaborate Star Wars fan film. He also wrote a script for a short film which had been in development, in which the exact same crime that he allegedly committed occurs... goalie mask, garage, duct tape, fake emails and all.
The Dexter connection is that he was an unabashed fan, and posted a lot of comments about it on his facebook page.... including a post, right around the time of the murder, that said he had "way too much in common with Dexter." <br>With regard to this season so far QUOTE (dd86+) Mostly, though, I'm loving the Miguel/Dexter scenes, as Smits and Hall have unbelievable chemistry <!--QuoteBegin-EssPee+--> QUOTE (EssPee+) I'm enjoying the season, although I'm also not taking it too seriously.
<br>I found the third episode to mark an upswing in interest for me. Specifically it was the scene when Miguel (Smits) meets Dexter under a bridge and hands over the blood-stained shirt that would implicate him in the Freebo murder. Guess it took a gesture of good faith to win me back a bit. (Also apparently the episode was directed by John Dahl ( The Last Seduction, Red Rock West) so maybe that played into it somehow.) Anyway the Miguel-Dexter relationship began engaging me more at that point. I've enjoyed moments between them -- like when Dexter cannot figure out if this is how friends behave, showing up unexpectedly late at night expecting beers and conversation; or Miguel appearing just as suddenly at the marina and hinting that he'd like to be invited on the boating trip. Dexter's social blindspot proved advantageous to Miguel as he worked on figuring Dex out. And it seems Miguel is on the level regarding his intentions towards Dexter. Haven't yet seen last night's episode (#307), but at the end of last week they allowed us to glimpse Miguel's reaction to Dexter's not having included him at the kill. "Dexter," Miguel smiles and shakes his head, more the reaction of a parent discovering the results of his child's mischief, then an adversary out to get him.
The rural juror
10th November 2008 - 06:01 PM
| QUOTE | And it seems Miguel is on the level regarding his intentions towards Dexter. Haven't yet seen last night's episode (#307), but at the end of last week they allowed us to glimpse Miguel's reaction to Dexter's not having included him at the kill. "Dexter," Miguel smiles and shakes his head, more the reaction of a parent discovering the results of his child's mischief, then an adversary out to get him. <br>You are probably going to love yesterday's episode.
In the first two seasons, Dexter was caught between his pulsions and Harry's code. He wasn't in control of his destiny. This season, he developping his own sense of right and wrong and making his own decisions. Lilah and the ITK repulsed him becaused they represented what would happen to him without self control. Dexter is more attracted to Miguel because he still has a moral center.
femvamp
10th November 2008 - 06:17 PM
I have a theory about Miguel and his family. Not completely sure how well it works after yesterdays episode (the one with the pie) but it still kinda fits. Miguel is quite possibly what Dexter would have become if he had grown up in his own family if you go the "born bad" route. Miguel is a "late bloomer" and his needs are only beginning to come to the surface but they have always been there.
His wife (forget her name) is what would have happened if Dexter had chosen Lila (yeah yeah yeah) everybody hates her but on paper she is a better match for Dexter then Rita is. I think Miguel's wife suspects her hubby isn't so pure of heart, mind, & body but just hasn't put her finger on what is wrong with him but when she finds out she may just have a Lila reaction to it...."Oh you're just killing guys, well at least you're not cheating on me....pass the salt dear."
As for the brothers the dead one and the crazy one. The dead brother reminds me of Deb. Not perfect but basically a good guy who went head first into something he didn't understand and got killed for it. I can see Deb going that route if her mouth doesn't get her there first.
Crazy brother is .... well Biney ITK himself.....or maybe more no I think Crzay brother is Doakes....yeah the crazy brother is definitely Doakes. A little shy of sane. a little obsessive, maybe a little quick on the draw but basically an honest cop who smells blood in the water when it comes to Dexter.
There that is my theory on the Miguel and his family.
Oh yeah and Lawyer chick, is anyone else getting a slashy vibe with her and LaGuerta or is just me?
The rural juror
10th November 2008 - 06:24 PM
| QUOTE | Oh yeah and Lawyer chick, is anyone else getting a slashy vibe with her and LaGuerta or is just me?
<br>That would be one more person she had inappropriate relations with.
Joe Don Faker
11th December 2008 - 07:06 AM
As we ramp up to the finale on Sunday, thought I'd bring over my musings on the latest, penultimate episode (from the onion's tv club).
The show peaks at ten--even if it goes to twelve.
Last season's peak was episode ten, with Dexter and Doakes facing off in the cabin. Their scenes together made for a great one-act play. The actual wrap-up in the final episodes interested me, but the best stuff happened with the two men on either side of that cage. (Similarly the best moments this week struck me as the ones between Dexter and Deb in those mostly wordless close-ups between them that still communicated so much. Michael C. Hall's left eyeball can out-act other shows' entire casts.)
This season's tenth episode will likely be the peak of what has been a better-than-expected ride with Miguel Prado. (Took me over two full episodes to get used to some tall guy who was unmistakably Jimmy Smits walking into frame to interact with these characters.) For me the best moments were the back-and-forth between Dexter and Miguel after the discovery of Ellen Wolf's corpse -- with Miguel's staking out the donut shop ("that was a bitch move") being a sweet stop, before the terrific showdown on the roof. As one commenter said, it was great watching Smits get rage angry. (And Dexter's crack about the cleaners' failure to "get that spot out" was, forgive me, spot on.)
But the promise of a real threat from Miguel ("I will fuck you back!") failed to materialize, as Dexter totally had his way with him in this eleventh installment. All too easy, with the strangely close surveillance tactics and Miguel's complete lack of wariness.
Not that there weren't a couple of payoff moments. Miguel's sadly angled fish face on the slab, croaking out a few last conversational gambits -- and Dexter finally dropping the news about killing his brother, prompting Miguel to let the mask of civility and friendliness slip away for all time. But for me the high point for their failed friendship was up on the roof.
And not that I'm unready to have fun with the finale. Time to get that skinnyass Skinner that made a punk out of Quinn.
(By the way, does something still feel kind of messed up about Quinn? Besides the lingering stink of an IA investigation he carries around, there's just something off about a guy who can see all the emotional angles to work on people but seems to lack real human connections. And Deb's considering getting involved with him only increases his chances of being a fucknut, right? Then I think of the time he recoiled at the sight of that guy getting soda shot up his nose, and I think maybe he's okay after all.)
Gatorbait
11th December 2008 - 07:16 AM
The mistake with Quinn was that he was a brand new character with no history before the IA investigation and then, like a lot of other storylines in the last two years, it just disappeared.
I think he, as a character, would have worked much better if Deb alone had the misgivings about him and there was the give and take between them. He's done some shady things that lead her not to trust him then he says or does something that turns her around again. No need for IA to tell us "Maybe Quinn isn't a good guy, after all." But he's turned out to be a better character than I initially thought he would.
And casting Smits as Miguel was a great idea, specifically because it was Jimmy Smits. We're so used to him being the Benevolent Ethnic, all big heart and kind words that everyone loves, so it was easy to see Miguel that way because it was in the baggage that Smits carries around with him ever since he died on "NYPD Blue." But they gave him a chance to turn that baggage into a facade and I agree that he and Hall tore it up on the roof. (I also loved Dexter's response to the stain not coming out.)
I will say, though, that the writing, while better than last season which well and truly sucked, is not anywhere near the first season. But the cast, which was always stellar, Rita notwithstanding (always hated her, always will) has really developed these characters into what feels like real people. Even Quinn in his first season is up to their standards. (And Angel's girlfriend is so perfect for him. Even if she wanted to bust him.)
And they're all led by Hall, who I agree is possibly the best actor on TV today. Shame he never got the recognition as David Fisher and probably won't ever win an award for Dexter because it's "creepy."
Joe Don Faker
11th December 2008 - 07:43 AM
Hey, so cool to hear your thoughts, and so promptly! The couple of other people I know who watch the show are behind in viewing, so it feels like I'm out here on my own.  QUOTE (Gatorbait+Dec 11 2008, 10:16 AM) And casting Smits as Miguel was a great idea, specifically because it was Jimmy Smits. We're so used to him being the Benevolent Ethnic, all big heart and kind words that everyone loves, so it was easy to see Miguel that way because it was in the baggage that Smits carries around with him ever since he died on "NYPD Blue." <br>Good point. Regarding Good Guy Jimmy Smits. At a dinner party last weekend a friend told the table how her family bears a grudge against Smits for failing to deliver on something he'd promised. Pretty vague, I know; but I like this woman so agreed to "hate" Smits by proxy. And yes, her family does in fact refer to him as "Jimmy Shits." | QUOTE | But the cast, which was always stellar, Rita notwithstanding (always hated her, always will) <br>Does she give you a case of the Benz? Oh ho, we do have fun here.
I guess when she's onscreen I do spend more time thinking about how often she must work out and do tanning.
QUOTE (-> | QUOTE | But the cast, which was always stellar, Rita notwithstanding (always hated her, always will) <br>Does she give you a case of the Benz? Oh ho, we do have fun here.
I guess when she's onscreen I do spend more time thinking about how often she must work out and do tanning.
And they're all led by Hall, who I agree is possibly the best actor on TV today. Shame he never got the recognition as David Fisher and probably won't ever win an award for Dexter because it's "creepy." <br>Yeah you're probably right. Maybe it's the serial killer thing that goes a few shades too far, for voters. Enjoy your golden globe, other actor portraying an alienated, dark and morally ambiguous character (Jon Hamm). (Not sure if his character killed anyone, though doesn't he produce a lot of second-hand smoke and some surely destructive advertising campaigns?)
Gatorbait
11th December 2008 - 09:30 AM
QUOTE (Joe Don Faker+Dec 11 2008, 08:43 AM) Regarding Good Guy Jimmy Smits. At a dinner party last weekend a friend told the table how her family bears a grudge against Smits for failing to deliver on something he'd promised. Pretty vague, I know; but I like this woman so agreed to "hate" Smits by proxy. And yes, her family does in fact refer to him as "Jimmy Shits."
Can't speak to who he is as a person, but as an actor he can play both sides of the coin well. And, really, even if he spent his off time feeding orphans people would still call him "Jimmy Shits." You can't have a name like that and NOT expect people to change it. Like on the show when Batista confessed that he was called "FATista" in school. It just is what it is. | QUOTE | QUOTE (-> | QUOTE | But the cast, which was always stellar, Rita notwithstanding (always hated her, always will) <br>Does she give you a case of the Benz? Oh ho, we do have fun here. <br>Hahaha. And yeah. I generally want to punch Rita every time her pinched little face shows up on screen. But then, I've always been a fan of LaGuerta, so make of that what you will.
| QUOTE | QUOTE (-> | QUOTE | And they're all led by Hall, who I agree is possibly the best actor on TV today. Shame he never got the recognition as David Fisher and probably won't ever win an award for Dexter because it's "creepy." <br>Yeah you're probably right. Maybe it's the serial killer thing that goes a few shades too far, for voters. Enjoy your golden globe, other actor portraying an alienated, dark and morally ambiguous character (Jon Hamm). (Not sure if his character killed anyone, though doesn't he produce a lot of second-hand smoke and some surely destructive advertising campaigns?) <br>It's not JUST that Dexter's a serial killer, it's Hall's ability to switch things on a dime. He has such an extraordinarily expressive face that when he turns into the dead-eyed killing machine it just feels a little too "real." He's valiantly keeping Dexter as dark as possible in the face of the writers attempts to "humanize" him and the almost loving way he told Miguel he killed Oscar is both fascinating and difficult to watch.
Most fascinating to me is how different Dexter is from David physically. They're both the same man, and while makeup and wardrobe makes a difference, Hall just looks like an entirely different person as Dexter. Watching how aggressive Dexter can be physically seems a far cry from the pent up David.
I don't watch Mad Men so I can't speak to Hamm's performance (although, he's a pretty pretty man who wears those suits impeccably) and I'll accept that he's quite good and deserving of the accolades, but I can't see how he could go deeper into the psyche of such a dark and conflicted character. Not a dig on Hamm, at all, just an acknowledgement of Hall's incredible work on two separate shows.
The rural juror
11th December 2008 - 09:51 AM
| QUOTE | But the promise of a real threat from Miguel ("I will fuck you back!") failed to materialize, as Dexter totally had his way with him in this eleventh installment. All too easy, with the strangely close surveillance tactics and Miguel's complete lack of wariness.
<br>I was looking forward to an all out war between Miguel and Dexter so this resolution left me a little unsatisfied. It was too bad because i really liked what they did with Miguel.
The IA chick was both annoying and useless as a subplot.
annabell
11th December 2008 - 10:47 AM
This is the first season I've watched, so I've been playing a lot of catch up. For the longest time I wondered what I was missing with the AI chick. She just baited Debs a few times and moved on and there was really no point to her at all, right?
I was shocked that they killed Miguel off last week, I thought for sure that would happen in the last episode or maybe even the first episode of next Season. I can't wait until Sunday night. Dexter is the only show I'm really watching regularly right now and it's almost over. Boo hoo.
I don't mind Rita, I do keep waiting for her to burst into flames whenever she goes into the sunlight though.
potmeetskettle
15th December 2008 - 12:06 PM
I missed the first half of the Dexter finale. What is Rita's secret that Dex referred to? I came in at the tail end of the conversation between Dex and Ramon in the interrogation room (?)
I'm beginning to think Dex has some sort of lycra superhero suit under his dockers, what with the way he keeps barely escaping discovery and all. Still. It is a good show. Even if Deb bugs the ever livin' crap out of me.
Gatorbait
15th December 2008 - 01:08 PM
Rita had a brief marriage when she was a teenager. They received a card from her mother that said "Third time's the charm," and she badly lied that her mother was referring to her pregnancy being her third, so Dexter did a background search on Rita.
And while I can fully appreciate wanting to punch Deb in the neck on a regular basis and would never try to talk anyone out of it, hell, I wanted to punch her in the neck when she never actually thanked LaGuerta for the promotion, for some reason, I accept and like Deb for all her grand and numerous faults. I think it's because I find Jennifer Carpenter relatable, even when she's being obnoxious. Kinda like Anton. He'll write a song about her called "Mala Flaca Puta" (hahahaha) but that doesn't mean he didn't love her.
Also...how long did it take everyone else to recognize George King (Jesse Borrego) as Jesse from Fame?
dd86
15th December 2008 - 01:22 PM
The episode was completely underwhelming. I'd championed this season as exciting and suspenseful even as the writing was clearly subpar (or at least, the logic within the story), but the finale was really a mess, mainly because everything tied up so easily and without any type of fight. I wish the Skinner hadn't been disposed of so easily -- a season-to-season killer isn't a bad idea.
It was all just too easy last night, and I feel like they could have and should done a heck of a lot more. I'm not sure what exactly, but this just left me feeling empty, even moreso than last year's finale, an episode I didn't particularly care for.
potmeetskettle
15th December 2008 - 01:24 PM
I don't know what it is about Deb. It may be her speech pattern, it may be the way she constantly has a look on her face that says "I'm clueless", I dunno. I think (with the face comment) what it is is that Dexter's face is quite expressive, even with a change in the look in his eyes, and Deb just always looks like the wheels in her head are turning .. and turning .. and turning .. and even when she realizes something "Mother FUCK!", I just don't buy it.
That may be my issue with the actor, not so much the character. When I remove the speech pattern and dumbstruck face from the equation, I find the character amusing. I laughed at the smack in the head to Masuka for not inviting her to the bachelor party. That is exactly who I imagine Deb to be. One of the boys, but not really.
One thing I am kind of sick of is that she has to have a new dude to cling to every season, and it's never without major drama. Just let her be a single cop for awhile, or .. better yet .. turn her into a REAL mirror image of a typical cop and have her love-em-and-leave-em without getting all fucking clingy. ::shudder:: I hate the clingy. (Yes, that includes Rita. Rita is major clingy as well. She's been a bit better this season than she was in the first two, at least.)
ETA - I confess, I love Jesse, so it didn't take me long at all.
Thetan
15th December 2008 - 01:57 PM
I enjoyed the season, but I was left wondering... even though Skinner "threw" himself (at least the cops think so) under the cop car, wouldn't the crime scene unit still scour the place? At least enough to notice Dexter's blood (from when his arm was cut when they were fighting)?
Gatorbait
15th December 2008 - 02:05 PM
The writers seem to know less about police procedure and protocol than the average viewer whose watched a couple of episodes of "First 48" or "American Justice." They've always just "fit" the procedure to whatever story they want to tell.
And I will grant that compared to Hall when they share scenes, Carpenter's shortcomings are more apparent. I also noticed it with LaGuerta last night. Maybe it's because now that they've made LaGuerta more than just an ambitious maneater that Velez is bringing more to her, but she also have a highly expressive face and can bring a lot to an ambivalent or melancholy moment. Carpenter fell back on the one-note antagonism that they shed two seasons ago.
Carpenter is best when she's a live wire, but I do agree that the writers need to let Deb just be alone for a while. Let Deb be Deb.
The rural juror
15th December 2008 - 04:42 PM
QUOTE (Thetan+Dec 15 2008, 04:57 PM) I enjoyed the season, but I was left wondering... even though Skinner "threw" himself (at least the cops think so) under the cop car, wouldn't the crime scene unit still scour the place? At least enough to notice Dexter's blood (from when his arm was cut when they were fighting)? I love that tv cops only have one open case at the time and have clues conveniently dropping into their laps. In real life, most criminals get caught because they did something really stupid.
Calendae
15th December 2008 - 06:35 PM
I was waiting for some sort of resolution to the Deb/IA storyline. It seems like it was just dropped. If it was just to set up Deb finding out Dexter's identity in the next season, I think it was a little ridiculous.
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