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Gladly
Quite a few of the books I've read in the past year are on their way to becoming movies, and I just read this morning that the Coen brothers' next film is Chabon's Yiddish Policemen's Union. It's perfect for them. I haven't read No Country for Old Men, and McCarthy takes a lot out of me, so seeing the movie might be preferable.

Also coming up, my favorite two post-apocalyptic novels from the past year
Cormac McCarthy's The Road with Viggo Mortensen
World War Z, a history of the zombie war

It also looks like The Lovely Bones is on its way to being finished too.

Usually, I love when a book I've read and like gets adapted. I don't always care that the adaptation is faithful, as long as it's an interesting take on the book.
Msquared
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Usually, I love when a book I've read and like gets adapted. I don't always care that the adaptation is faithful, as long as it's an interesting take on the book.
I do like an adaptation to be faithful, at least to the spirit of a book. I expect characters to behave the same way they did originally. An example of a good adaptation would be Cider House Rules. They only covered about 1/3 of the story, but it was still true to the book. A bad adaptation was First Wives Club. Goldie Hawn's character was the total opposite of how she'd originally been written. But the worst crime was that the movie wasn't half as funny as the book.
Chenille
I usually stay far away from adaptations. I like them to be faithful. They don't often seem to live up to the experience I had reading the book. The movie World According to Garp fell so flat for me. I had loved the book and wished I had not seen the movie.

But Lonesome Dove was a terrific adaptation. I resisted seeing it for ages and was delighted when I finally gritted my teeth and started watching. Lord of the Rings had me in tears from the beginning because it seemed so faithful to my memories.

As a fan of the Orchid Thief, knowing that it wasn't really about the book, I just suspended disbelief. And still wasn't all that crazy for the movie.

Reading often takes me places that I don't think a movie can. Frequently the nuance is lost or, for me, it's something as simple as hearing a different/wrong-to-me voice. Though I have more than once heard someone speak and it is my perfect Owen Meany voice.
Flahdagal
The Hunt for Red October was a reasonable adaptation, but they butchered, destroyed and generally screwed over Ya Ya Sisterhood.

I found the sort of adaptation of The Orchid Thief to be really fascinating. What was book? What was movie? What was neither?
roseland
I think it depends on the adaption. Sometimes, I think the adaption takes out what I feel are crucial bits of character development. The one that comes to mind is Speilberg's refusal to acknowledge the lesbian affair in The Color Purple between Ceily and Shug. It's just such an essential part of Ceily's growth. She goes from being abused and battered to being loved and in love. And the fact that Ceily must accept that Shug is not responsible for her happiness, that only she can be responsible for her own happiness is vital and crucial to Ceily's growth. It's this huge gap that's missing in the movie and it helps explain why Ceily is able to allow Mister back into her life.

While I rarely think a movie adaptation is as good or better than the book (the two that I think fit those categories are To Kill A Mockingbird and Gone With The Wind), I don't hate adaptions. The Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings adaptions are good examples of adaptions that were entertaining in a different way than the books they were based upon.
Msquared
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they butchered, destroyed and generally screwed over Ya Ya Sisterhood.
Oh, I forgot about that. I totally agree. I liked the movie on its own (loved the casting), but I don't think they did the book justice.
treehouse
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Though I have more than once heard someone speak and it is my perfect Owen Meany voice.
And we shall never speak of Simon Birch. Ever.
Chenille
Wow. I didn't know they had attempted an adaptation. Which John Irving would not bless and then would not even allow the use of the name Owen Meany! (Thanks Wiki) It looks terrible.
Gladly
QUOTE (roseland+Feb 13 2008, 03:27 PM)
I think it depends on the adaption.  Sometimes, I think the adaption takes out what I feel are crucial bits of character development.  The one that comes to mind is Speilberg's refusal to acknowledge the lesbian affair in The Color Purple between Ceily and Shug.  It's just such an essential part of Ceily's growth.  She goes from being abused and battered to being loved and in love.

This is interesting because I watched the film version (It was the first movie my family ever saw in letterbox format! We were so perplexed by the black bars) of The Color Purple first and I was relatively young, then I read the book maybe five or six years later. I think because I was so young when I saw the film, I wouldn't have understood the relationship between Celie and Shug, but when I read the book version later, it made the whole film more poignant.

Had I read the book first I think I would have felt cheated by the movie.

On a fluffier note, I think the movie version of Bridget Jones' Diary improved upon the book. I felt like Bridget had more dignity in the film version, enough of her neuroses were hidden, so she was easier to like. Same with the modern interpretation of Mansfield Park. Much easier to like Fanny Price when she's given a little backbone.
DodgerGirl
Gladly, I totally agree about Bridget Jones' Diary. The movie was much more entertaining than the book in general. Also, the presence of Colin Firth improves everything.
La G
QUOTE (Gladly+Feb 14 2008, 06:06 PM)
Same with the modern interpretation of Mansfield Park. Much easier to like Fanny Price when she's given a little backbone.

This is one of those film adaptations that I feel improves the book. I'm just not that fond of Fanny, and the introduction of the darker subtext spices (see what I did there?) it up. Plus, to paraphrase DodgerGirl, a little Jonny Lee Miller improves everything.
weejie
roseland
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While I rarely think a movie adaptation is as good or better than the book {snip}... the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings adaptions are good examples of adaptions that were entertaining in a different way than the books they were based upon.
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Chenille
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While I rarely think a movie adaptation is as good or better than the book {snip}... the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings adaptions are good examples of adaptions that were entertaining in a different way than the books they were based upon.
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Chenille
But Lonesome Dove was a terrific adaptation. I resisted seeing it for ages and was delighted when I finally gritted my teeth and started watching. Lord of the Rings had me in tears from the beginning because it seemed so faithful to my memories.
<br>I have to agree, Lonesome Dove, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter were all different than the books, but they were still very, very good.

I think the worst adaptation I've seen so far is The Shining with Jack Nicholson. I liked the TV mini-series version better, believe it or not. The movie was just so far off from the book, that I couldn't appreciate its' good qualities.
fernbeau
QUOTE (weejie+Feb 14 2008, 07:19 PM)
I think the worst adaptation I've seen so far is The Shining with Jack Nicholson. I liked the TV mini-series version better, believe it or not. The movie was just so far off from the book, that I couldn't appreciate its' good qualities.
The one thing I really hated about the adaptation of The Shining was that they changed the topiary animals to a hedge maze. It's a small point, I guess, but I remember reading the book and thinking, man, there's nothing scarier than topiary animals that move when you're not looking at them. What's a hedge maze compared to that?
roseland
Oh, I agree about The Shining. I also felt that the the decision to leave out Jack's forgetfulness about the boiler was a big mistake. The reader knew Jack had forgotten about the boiler but Jack didn't and the tension of whether he would remember in time, with all the other stuff happening really worked and I felt would have been easily translatable to a movie. Another moment they left out that I didn't like was when Jack was right about to ax his son and he briefly regained control of himself. He hugs his son and says "Run now and remember, I'll always love you." It was such a touching moment that really underscored the tragedy of what was happening here. Because Jack was not a murdering bastard. He was not evil. He was a loving father who had been taken over and was being forced to do horrific things to people he loved. That omission took the soul away from the character.
Joe Don Faker
It's 4AM and Kubrick is controlling my mind.

The Jack character is certainly much more fleshed out and sympathetic in the book. No doubt. Kubrick stripped away a lot of that engaging characterization for his version.

But the topiary vs. hedge maze thing was partly about the state of special effects technology, I think. In 1980 there was much more of a chance for that stuff to come out looking unintentionally cheesey. Though I guess Mr. 2001 could have had a go at it if he really wanted to. The maze thing works out fine, no? Just today I called out to a coworker named Danny as I headed after him down a corridor, using the drunk delerious voice he has come to recognize and shake his head at. The kid in the movie is great; in the behind the scenes stuff someone off camera plays the kid's favorite scary music, to inspire him while shooting.

A great thing about the Shining DVD is the featurette shot by Kubrick's daughter. Naturally she had ultimate access to the set during filming. What's cool about it is how unguarded the actors appear, in a time before Entertainment Access Extra Hollywood Tonight on E! Television. Shelly Duvall in particular is pretty open about her various hang-ups and inner disturbances during the shoot, which cause some impatience among director and crew.
La G
Yeah, The Shining isn't an exact adaptation, but it's a great, iconic, film. It's the reason I think twins are terrifying to this day.

Due to time constraints, a film is always going to strip away much of the plot and subtext, particularly with someone like King, who writes so densely. I think the best film adaptations are the ones that manage to keep the essential spirit of the book; why I think Clueless is better than the Paltrow version of Emma.

Another great example is another Nicholson film - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. An exact interpretation of the book would be unfilmable, and would likely be a bizarre '60s curio, but the film depicts what is true and everlasting about that story.

More exact adaptations are better suited to the television than the movies really. Then you have the time to fit in the details.

Spike
QUOTE (fernbeau+Feb 14 2008, 06:34 PM)
It's a small point, I guess, but I remember reading the book and thinking, man, there's nothing scarier than topiary animals that move when you're not looking at them.
Statues that move when you're not looking at them are pretty scary, too.
Chenille
I had forgotten that The Shining was a Kubrick film. A Kubrick film I really disliked. The book had kept me awake and afraid to move beyond my couch at one point. I took my own ciggie intermission during the movie. It had really been hyped and didn't live up to my expectations. I think Kubrick even "invented" a gyro-camera type conveyance that was supposed to do...something. It seemed that Kubrick stripped away a lot more than the sympathetic Jack charcterization.

Joe Don Faker Posted on Today, 4:35 am
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Just today I called out to a coworker named Danny as I headed after him down a corridor, using the drunk delerious voice he has come to recognize and shake his head at.
That, to me, was one of the more chilling parts of the movie. And I absolutely agree with roseland's thoughts on leaving the boiler issue and forgetfulness out.

La G Posted on Today, 5:14 am
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Just today I called out to a coworker named Danny as I headed after him down a corridor, using the drunk delerious voice he has come to recognize and shake his head at.
That, to me, was one of the more chilling parts of the movie. And I absolutely agree with roseland's thoughts on leaving the boiler issue and forgetfulness out.

La G Posted on Today, 5:14 am
Due to time constraints, a film is always going to strip away much of the plot and subtext, particularly with someone like King, who writes so densely. I think the best film adaptations are the ones that manage to keep the essential spirit of the book; why I think Clueless is better than the Paltrow version of Emma.
The parts I bolded sum up perfectly why I have problems with adaptations.

I have never read Emma (stone me now) but will usually watch Clueless when it's on but never the Paltrow version.
Joe Don Faker
That Making of The Shining featurette shot by Vivian Kubrick is on Google video. (35 mins)
Chenille
Thanks JDF. That was really interesting.

I was at first concerned that it might make me want to give The Shining another try. It did reinforce my feelings towards Jack Nicholson. That being that I have always thought he just played a variation of himself. I'm not a fan of his and that might have colored some of my feelings for the movie. But I really like Shelley Duvall. I appreciated her more in her Altman roles so it was interesting when she credited Kubrick with getting so much more out of her. Kubrick's questioning Mom was a treat. And I think that was James Mason I saw in the background of the meet and greet?

Watching the movie making techniques was kind of like a step back in time. Kubrick pounding away at a typewriter and the needle setting down on the vinyl. It was fun seeing the snow/blizzard being made and I wondered how much suspense would have been lost in today's world of CGI. Or perhaps generated?
The rural juror
I know there were talks about adapting Ender's Game as a movie but the main reason why it would suck horribly can be expressed in two words: child actors.
Gladly
This is a weird adaptation considering it's adapting a presidency, but I've been hearing a lot of casting news about Oliver Stone's movie about the current Bush administration. I feel fatigued by the thought of reliving the past eight years, but I will say the casting rumors are pretty neat:
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Oliver Stone’s sort-of anticipated film W., about George W. Bush, announced two new cast members today: James Cromwell as George H.W. Bush and Ellen Burstyn as Barbara Bush. (We were hoping for Dame Edna, alas.) They join Josh Brolin as W. and Elizabeth Banks as Laura Bush. But we’ll throw one more legitimate candidate into the mix: Paul Giamatti is in talks with Oliver Stone about a role in the film.
Casting Josh Brolin as Bush is nice symmetry for West Wing fans, since his father was cast as the Republican challenger Governor Robert Ritchie, pretty clearly based on the W. and Jeb Bush.

I love Paul Giamatti, and he'd be great as Karl Rove. My biggest problem is that I haven't really enjoyed an Oliver Stone movie, although I haven't seen JFK. I hated Any Given Sunday so much, I don't know that I'd ever give him another chance though.
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